WHERE GOOD MORNING. THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE WILL COME TO
ORDER . IT IS 9:33 A.M. MARCH
24, 26. I'M ROBERT KETTLE,
CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL?
>> COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ?
>> HERE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER LIN?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> HERE.
>> KETTLE?
>> HERE.
>> FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT AND WE
ARE JOINED THIS MORNING BY
COUNCILMEMBER RINK.
>> THANK YOU.
>> STARTING UP WITH CHAIR
COMMENTS. I WANTED TO SPEAK ON
TODAY'S AGENDA WITH THE ALPR,
CCTV. THE ISSUES OF SURVEILLANCE
HAVE BEEN FRONT AND CENTER IN
THE CITY ACROSS THE BOARD TO
INCLUDE WITH THE MAYOR'S RECENT
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SHE MADE HER
REMARKS WITH THE CONFERENCE THAT
SHE HAD. I WANTED TO SPEAK TO
THE REMARKS, STARTING OFF WITH
PRIVACY AND DATA GOVERNANCE
AUDITS. I SUPPORT THIS BUT IT IS
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORT
PROCESS IS VERY DETAILED , AS
WAS THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS OVER
FOUR BILLS FOR ALPR, AUTOMATIC
LICENSE PLATE READER, CCTV AND
REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER, NOT TO
MENTION THE BUDGET BILL THAT WE
HAVE FOR THIS PROGRAM AS WELL.
THE KEYS TO THIS AUDIT IS THE
FACT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE
COMPLETE BY THE FEE FOR WORLD
CUP. IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE
THIS DONE. IN THE END, I WELCOME
THIS REVIEW BUT THE PROGRAM, IN
ADDITION , IS ALSO BEING
REVIEWED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF
PENNSYLVANIA. I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YES, THE
MAYOR CAN DO HER DUE DILIGENCE,
PARTICULARLY FROM THE POLICY
SIDE BUT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN
LOOKED THROUGH AGAIN AND AGAIN
FOR THE SURVEILLANCE IMPACT
REPORT, THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS
AND IT IS GOING TO BE DONE
THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. ON THE
EXPANSION PAUSE, I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND I SUPPORT
THE INSTALLATION OF THE CAMERAS
IN THE STADIUM DISTRICT BUT THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN
AND IT NEEDS TO BE TURNED ON IN
SUPPORT OF FIFA WORLD CUP . MY
QUESTION REGARDING CREDIBLE
THREAT WARNINGS IS HOW DO YOU
DEFINE A CREDIBLE THREAT
WARNING? IT IS NOT BEST PRACTICE
TO HAVE A SYSTEM AND HAVE IT
TURNED OFF AND SAY, IF WE GET A
CREDIBLE THREAT, WE WILL TURN IT
ON QUICKLY. AS SOMEBODY WHO
WORKS IN THE INTELLIGENCE
SECURITY WORLD, I THINK ABOUT
9/11, I THINK ABOUT BEING IN THE
EUROPEAN COMMAND IN GERMANY. WE
WERE WELL AWARE OF AL QAEDA AND
BIN LADEN AND AFTER THE COLE
BOMBING IN 2000 WHEN I WAS BASED
OUT OF ITALY, WE WERE ON THAT
100% AND WE WERE WORKING AT
HARD. I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE
THAT BROKE THE CHATTER IN THE
LEAD UP TO 9/11 AND ON 9/11, WAS
THERE A CREDIBLE THREAT WARNING
THAT AL QAEDA WOULD USE PLANES
AS WEAPONS TO GO INTO BUILDINGS?
NO. THAT IS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT IT FROM
THE CONCEPT OF MUNICIPAL. LET'S
THINK ABOUT IT OF 1996 WITH THE
SUMMER OLYMPICS IN ATLANTA. WAS
THERE A CREDIBLE THREAT WARNING
THAT THERE WOULD BE A BOMBING AT
THAT OLYMPICS? NO, THERE WASN'T.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED TOO THAT WE
ARE IN A HEIGHTENED THREAT
ENVIRONMENT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE
OF THE IRAN WAR. IT IS IMPORTANT
TO NOTE THAT IRAN WAS SCHEDULED
TO PLAY HERE ON PRIDE WEEKEND
AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT,
AMONG DIFFERENT OTHER REASONS TO
ALSO LOOK OUT FOR LGBTQ+
COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW
COUNTRIES OR ORGANIZATIONS
TARGET, THEY LOOK FOR SOFT
TARGETS. WE SHOULD BE THINKING
ABOUT THESE THINGS AS WE GO
THROUGH. AGAIN, HOW DO YOU
DEFINE CREDIBLE THREAT WARNINGS?
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ALSO,
I SUPPORT THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE
INSTALLED CAMERA THAT IS NEARBY
A REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH FACILITY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS
MASKING AND THAT IS PART OF THE
SYSTEM BUT I APPRECIATE THIS
ADDITIONAL QUALITY CONTROL CHECK
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE
BLURRING APPROACH IS ONE PIECE
BUT WE CAN GO FURTHER . THIS IS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW TOO THAT
OUR SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE ANY
FACIAL RECOGNITION BUILT INTO
IT. THAT WAS A PURPOSEFUL CHOICE
ON OUR PART NOT TO INCLUDE
RACIAL RECOGNITIONS TO OUR
SYSTEM. I SAY THIS OUT LOUD
BECAUSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE SAY
DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY THINK
THEY KNOW THE PROGRAM. THEY
THINK THEY KNOW THE PROTOCOLS.
THEY THINK THEY KNOW ALL OF THE
DECISIONS THAT WENT INTO THE
PROGRAM TO INCLUDE INCORPORATING
SEATTLE VALUES, INCORPORATING
THE IDEA THAT WE WILL NOT
INCLUDE FACIAL RECOGNITION. IT
IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS
BECAUSE IT GETS LOST SOMETIMES
IN THE DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC.
ON THE IDEA OF STOPPING AND A
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT SURGE,
IF THERE WAS TO BE A SURGE LIKE
HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS, THE FIRST
THING IS, I WANT TO NOTE THAT
OUR ALPR SYSTEM, CCTV AND
REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER SYSTEM
HAS NOT BEEN ABUSED. THERE HAVE
BEEN NO SUBPOENAS. THE ALPR
STARTED IN 2024. 2025 WAS CCTV.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBPOENAS.
HERE IS THE KEY THING. WE
ALREADY HAVE PROTOCOLS IN PLACE
IN THE EVENT OF AN INTRUSION. IN
FACT, WE WILL BUILD ON THAT
TODAY WITH ALPR IF WE HAVE IT
WITH ALPR. WE ARE GOING TO GO
FORWARD TODAY AND HAVE THAT 60
DAY PAUSE IF THERE WAS AN
INTRUSION, IF IT WAS TO BE
QUOTE, UNQUOTE ABUSED. WHEN
THERE IS CRISIS SEES, IT IS
IMPORTANT NOT TO HAVE A QUICK
REACTION. AGAIN, WE HAVE
PROTOCOLS. WE HAVE A CHECKLIST.
IMPORTANTLY, OUR SYSTEMS CAN
HELP US. WE JUST PASSED A BILL
ON STAGING. CAMERAS AND SYSTEMS
CAN BE VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF
DOCUMENTING THAT IF THAT WAS TO
HAPPEN. THEN, WE COULD ASSIST
THE CITY ATTORNEY IN TERMS OF
GIVING INJUNCTIVE RELIEF. THE
SYSTEM COULD BE DOCUMENTING
ACTIONS THAT WE SAW IN
MINNEAPOLIS WHERE WE HAD
DISCIPLINE OPERATIONS. WE HAD
LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WAS NOT
FOLLOWING THE POLICY AND
DIRECTIVES AND WE HAD POOR
LEADERSHIP. OUR SYSTEM COULD BE
HELPING US DOCUMENT THAT WHICH
IS A KEY THING IN TERMS OF THE
APPROACH TO FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AS WE KNOW REGARDING
OUR SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN
TERMS OF ENGAGING AND CONFIRMING
AND DOCUMENTING. THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE
THINKING ABOUT AND I WOULD ADD,
BY THE WAY, THIS MASSIVE PLUS UP
IN DOLLARS FOR DHS AND
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY,
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM. THEY
ARE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT
CONTRACTORS AND THEY HAVE THEIR
OWN SYSTEM. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT
THEY WOULD COME TO OUR -- LOOK
TO INTRUDE, WORK THEIR WAY
THROUGH OUR SYSTEM BUT I WOULD
ARGUE MOST LIKELY IT WILL BE A
SITUATION WHERE THEY ALREADY
HAVE THEIR SYSTEM. IF YOU THINK
ABOUT THE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING
SPENT RIGHT NOW, IT IS
INCREDIBLE AND I SAW THE FIRST
ROUND OF THIS 20 YEARS AGO, POST
9/11 AND THE LEAD UP TO THE IRAQ
WAR. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO
SAY, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
HAVE THE CONCEPT OF OPERATIONAL
RISK MANAGEMENT BE IN PLAY HERE.
OPERATIONAL RISK MANAGEMENT IS
THE IDEA THAT YOU LOOK AT THE
DIFFERENT PIECES AND YOU TAKE IN
ACCOUNT THE PROBABILITY. YOU
LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PIECES AND
I WOULD SAY, RELATIVE TO FEDERAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THE
ATTRIBUTES OF THIS SYSTEM, WE
HAVE MITIGATED THAT. NOW IT IS
BEING AUGMENTED WITH WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN OLYMPIA ON THE
STATE LEVEL. WE ARE ADDRESSING
IT. IF SOMETHING DOES GO
SIDEWAYS, WE HAVE THE PROTOCOL
FOR THE 60 DAY PAUSE. ON THE
OTHER SIDE, THE SYSTEM IS
CREATING AND IF IT'S IN --
BENEFITS IN CREATING OUR PUBLIC
SAFETY POSTURE. THIS IS KEY WITH
OPERATIONAL RISK MANAGEMENT TO
LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND SAY,
WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE AND WHEN
DO WE DO IT? ON THE ALPR PAUSE
THAT THE MAYOR CALLED FOR, YES,
WE HAVE TO DO THAT. STATE LAW.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR SYSTEM,
PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA OF
MOBILITY AS IT RELATES TO AREAS
THAT HAVE PROHIBITED WITH
RESPECT TO ALPR AND WE HAVE TO
ADJUST OUR SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO
FIX OUR SYSTEM. THAT IS LEGALLY
REQUIRED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. I
AGREE WITH THE ALPR PEACE. WE
HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. WE HAVE TO
SPEAK TO THAT TODAY AND THEN WE
WILL MOVE FORWARD. HERE IS THE
THING. LOOK AT ALL OF THE
PROTECTIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH
OUR AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE
READER PROGRAM. WITH ALL OF
THOSE AMENDMENTS DONE BY PEOPLE
LIKE MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA OR FORMER COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE WERE ALL OF THE ABOVE AND
ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE
GOTTEN FROM OUR COUNCIL THAT WE
ARE AGAIN IMPROVING ON TODAY ,
ITEM 1, IF YOU COMBINE THAT WITH
THE STATE LAW, THE 21 DAY PIECE,
THE PDR EXEMPTION, THE PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE, THAT COMBINATION
BETWEEN OUR SYSTEM, OUR
PROTOCOLS AND WHAT THE STATE HAS
DONE ESSENTIALLY IS ADDRESS THE
ISSUE OF ALPR SO THAT WE CAN
MOVE FORWARD. WE JUST NEED TO
ADJUST OUR PROGRAMS TO FIT STATE
LAW AND WE ARE GOOD TO GO. MAYOR
WILSON'S COMMENTS AT THE END,
TOWARD THE END, SHE SAID LET'S
WORK TOGETHER. I AGREE. I HAVE
BEEN WORKING WITH HER TEAM ON
VARIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AND
DISCUSSIONS WITH HER TO IMPROVE
OUR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. I
AGREE AND TO INCLUDE DOING THE
DUE DILIGENCE ON PRIVACY AND THE
DATA GOVERNANCE AUDIT, THIS IS
GOOD GOVERNANCE AND I SUPPORT
REVIEWING AND WORKING TOGETHER.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE
NEED TO SET UP OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
FOR SUCCESS AND I THINK WE HAVE
A CHANCE TO DO THAT. ONE LAST
THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, THE
MAYOR, MAYOR WILSON AND I, IN
FACT, EVERYBODY ON THIS DAIS
PLUS MAYOR WILSON TOOK AN OATH.
WE TOOK AN OATH TO THE
CONSTITUTION, THE STATE OF
WASHINGTON CONSTITUTION AND WE
ALSO TOOK AN OATH TO THE
CHARTER, THE CITY CHARTER AND
THE ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF
SEATTLE. AS I NOTED, WE HAD FOUR
ORDINANCES ON SURVEILLANCE THAT
BUILT ON THE ORIGINAL
SURVEILLANCE ORDER THAT WERE
AUGMENTED BY OUR BUDGET
ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PUT A
REVIVAL ON THESE BUDGET PROGRAMS
IN TERMS OF THE MONEY. I THINK
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT OATH,
REFLECT ON IT AND THEN GO TO THE
POINT ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER, I
HAVE CHAIRED THIS COMMITTEE. I
HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS THE BOARD.
MY COLLEAGUES ON THE DAIS AND IN
THE COUNCIL, WORKING THE CITY
ATTORNEY, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE,
THE DEPARTMENTS TO GET US WHERE
WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THIS
TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM AND I THINK
WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I THINK WE
CAN DO IT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH
MAYOR WILSON. I SAY, HEY ,
LET'S LIVE OUR OATH. LET'S
LIVE THE POINT THAT YOU SAID IN
TERMS OF WORKING TOGETHER AND
LET'S DO SO RELATED TO THIS
PROGRAM OF SURVEILLANCE.
COLLEAGUES, THAT IS MY CHAIR,
AND FOR THIS MORNING. SO, WE
WILL MOVE AFTER ASKING IF THERE
IS NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL
BE ADOPTED. HEARING AND SEEING
NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA IS
ADOPTED. WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC
COMMENT. BY THE WAY, I WOULD
LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING
HERE, GIVEN HOW DARK AND STORMY
IT IS OUTSIDE. I REALLY
APPRECIATED. CLERK, WE WILL NOT
OPEN A HYBRID PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD. PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD
RELATE TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S
AGENDA OR WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF
THE COMMITTEE. CLERK, HOW MANY
SPEAKERS I SIGNED UP FOR TODAY?
>> CURRENTLY WE HAVE SIX IN
PERSON SPEAKERS AND TWO REMOTE.
>> EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE TWO
MINUTES AND WE WILL START WITH
THE IN PERSON SPEAKERS AND THEN
GO TO REMOTE. CLERK, CAN YOU
PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT
INSTRUCTIONS?
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT PIER WILL
BE MODERATING THE PUBLIC MATTER.
PUBLIC HIM PEER IT IS UP TO 60
MINUTES. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED
IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY
REGISTERED. SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A
TIME WHEN TECH HEADS -- 10
SECONDS OR LESS OF THEIR TIME.
MICROPHONE WILL BE MUTED IF THEY
DO NOT ENTER COMMENTS WITHIN THE
ALLOTTED TIME TO ALLOW US TO
CALL IN THE NEXT SPEAKER PICKED
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW
OPEN AND WILL BEGIN WITH THE
FIRST SPEAKER ON THE LIST. WE
WILL BE RECOGNIZED SERVICE ON
THE COUNCIL AND GOING WITH THE
FIRST IN PERSON SPEAKER ON YOUR
LIST.
>> WELCOME FORMER COUNCILMEMBER
TONYA WILL .
>> THANK YOU. I AM A LITTLE SICK
TODAY SO HOPEFULLY I AM
UNDERSTANDABLE. I AM NOT COMING
TO YOU TODAY AS A FORMER
COUNCILMEMBER. I AM COMING TO
YOU TODAY AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDER AS
WELL AS AN ORGANIZER FOR AN HOA
GROUP AND I AM HERE TO TALK
ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. IT WOULD
HELP OR CHANGE THE DISTRICT.
LATER TODAY , I, ALONG WITH A
COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL
SEE HERE DURING THE REGULAR
COUNCIL MEETING PRESENTING TO
YOU A PETITION REGARDING OUR
CAMERAS. I BELIEVE IT IS UP TO
THE COUNCIL AND THE STATE TO
PROTECT OUR MOST MARGINALIZED
POPULATION. WE HAVE 2500 SENIORS
AND SENIOR ELDERS WHO APPRECIATE
AND SUPPORT WHAT THIS PUBLIC
SAFETY COUNCIL IS DOING. WE
TRUST COUNCIL CHAIR BOB KETTLE
AND ALL THE WORK THAT HE IS
PUTTING OUT THERE. DURING THE
SUMMER -- AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE
SAFETY DASHBOARD, A LOT OF CRIME
IN THE CITY WENT DOWN. BY THE
TIME I WAS IN DISTRICT, THEY
WENT UP. THERE ARE A LOT OF DRUG
USE, ESPECIALLY AT 12 AND
JACKSON WHERE WE DO HAVE
CAMERAS. DURING THE SUMMER,
THERE WAS SOME SHOUTING,
SHOOTING IN THAT AREA AND I WENT
UP THERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO
MAKE SURE THAT OUR ELDERS ARE
SAFE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF
THERE IS A SUBJECT DESCRIPTION,
THAT WE GET THAT OUT THERE SO
THAT ELDERS ARE AWARE AND THEY
CAN WATCH OUT. IT IS GREAT TO
HEAR FROM OFFICERS THAT SAY, WE
CAUGHT THIS SHOOTING ON CCTV AND
WE KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS. WE
ARE GOING TO PICK THEM UP RIGHT
NOW. WE CHECKED THE PARK. WE
CHECKED ALL OF THE MAJOR AREAS
AND WE DON'T SEE HIM . THAT IS
A LOT OF RELIEF FOR MANY OF OUR
COMMUNITY ELDERS, TO BE ABLE TO
NOT BE PART OF THAT FEAR AS YOU
REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS
STABBING OUR ELDERS AND THAT WAS
VERY SCARY. I HOPE YOU WILL
LISTEN WHEN THEY COME TODAY AND
I HOPE YOU WILL REALLY CONSIDER
THIS. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE LAWRENCE
EVANS TO BE FOLLOWED BY TOM
GRASS.
>> GOOD MORNING. I LIVE IN
DISTRICT 7 AND I HAVE GRAVE
CONCERN ABOUT THE USE OF THE
ACTIVATION OF THE PROVISIONAL
CAMERAS. OBVIOUSLY MY BIGGEST
FEAR IS THAT IT WILL LEAD TO HER
SHUTTING OFF OTHERS IN THE CITY.
A WEEK AGO, I WAS WALKING BACK
FROM A PT THERAPY SESSION ON THE
CORNER OF 5th AND BLANCHE. I
LIVE ON 1st AND VIRGINIA. WHEN I
WAS WALKING, I NOTICED THERE
WERE SEVERAL TENTS SET UP ON
BLANCHARD AND I DECIDED TO TAKE
MY CAMERA OUT AND PHOTOGRAPH
THEM SO THAT I COULD USE THE
FIND IT, FIX IT APPLICATION. AS
I CONTINUED MY WALK DOWN
BLANCHARD PASSED ONE OF THE
TENTS ON THE ONE OF THE HOMELESS
PEOPLE THREATENED ME.
OBSCENITIES. WE ARE WATCHING
YOU. I CALLED THE POLICE THE
FOLLOWING DAY AND FILED A
REPORT, STILL SUBMITTED THE FIND
IT, FIX IT, TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS
THE SITUATION BUT THE REALITY
IS, WE NEED THESE CAMERAS ALL
OVER THE CITY. NOT JUST IN MY
NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH
THE WORLD CUP COMING. I JUST
WANT TO STATE MY CASE AS A
RESIDENT, A SENIOR CITIZEN. I
LIVE AMONGST MANY OTHERS THAT
HAVE THE SAME FEELINGS AND
CONCERNS. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I
AM HOPING THAT YOU GUYS CAN
CHANGE HER DECISION AND
REINSTATE, ACTIVATE THE NEW
CAMERAS AS WELL AS KEEP THE ONES
IN PLACE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING. I AM TOM GRASS,
I CHAIR BELLTOWN UNITED. I AM A
MEMBER OF THE BELLTOWN BUSINESS
ASSOCIATION. I MANAGE A
COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE COMPANY.
I LIVE AND WORK IN BELLTOWN. IF
ANYONE THINKS THAT THE SMALL
BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE
HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH
PROPERTY CRIME, YOU'VE GOT IT
WRONG. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS
ON OUR STREETS AND THE CAMERAS
HELP THE SITUATION WITH SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS. I HAVE WALKED
BELLTOWN WITH THE WEST PRECINCT
CAPTAIN AND I ASSURE YOU, POLICE
USE THESE CAMERAS TO HELP THEM
WITH THEIR UNDERSTAFFING AND IT
HELPS THE SITUATION ON THE
STREET. I WANT THE PROGRAM
EXPANDED, NOT CONTRACTED .
CERTAINLY WITH FIFA AROUND THE
CORNER IN PIONEER SQUARE, WE
MUST ACTIVATE THESE CAMERAS FOR
PIONEER SQUARE . THERE WAS A LOT
OF SMALL BUSINESSES DOWN THERE
THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH CRIME
AND CERTAINLY WITH FIFA , WE
CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS CREDIBLE
THREAT. WE KNOW THAT THERE COULD
BE A THREAT DURING FIFA IN
SEATTLE AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO
WORK WITH THE MAYOR AND I WOULD
ASK THE MAYOR TO WORK WITH THE
SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IF WE ARE
GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AND GET
THIS PROGRAM EXPANDED IN TIME
FOR FIFA. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE JEFFREY
HOLDERMAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY
CRAIG THOMPSON.
>> I AM JEFFREY SILVERMAN AND I
PROPOSE THAT THE CITY CONDUCT AN
EXTENSIVE EARTHQUAKE DRILL SOON.
I AM AN OLD BOY SCOUT AND OLD
SEARCH AND RESCUE MEMBER. I AM
THE HUB CAPTAIN OF THE EMERGENCY
HUB AND I ASPIRE TO JOIN SEATTLE
ACF AND I AM CURRENTLY IN
TRAINING WITH THE REQUISITE FEMA
CLASSES AND WILL TAKE THE
REQUIRED TRAINING THIS WEEKEND.
AT THE MEETING COMMEMORATING THE
2001 NISQUALLY EARTHQUAKE,
AMANDA HANDLED CALLED ME A
DISASTER NERD AND I THINK SHE IS
RIGHT. WHILE MY EXPERIENCE AS A
HUB CAPTAIN INFORMS MY THINKING
ABOUT DISASTERS, I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THAT I'M SPEAKING FOR
MYSELF AND NOBODY ELSE. I'M NOT
AUTHORIZED TO MAKE ANY
AGREEMENTS OR OFFER ANY
ASSISTANCE OTHER THAN MY OWN
BLOOD, SWEAT, TEARS AND, FULL
DISCLOSURE, I HAVE DONATED 110
UNITS OF BLOOD IN MY LIFETIME SO
I AM ALL IN. SOMETIME SOON, I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY
PRACTICE AN EARTHQUAKE DRILL
INVOLVING ALL THE GOVERNMENT
AGENCIES, FEMA, WASHINGTON STATE
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, KING
COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE
SEATTLE OEM, AND THE SEATTLE
PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND NONGOVERNMENT
AGENCIES SUCH AS SEATTLE
EMERGENCY HUB, THE AUXILIARY
COMMUNICATION SERVICE, THE RED
CROSS, ET CETERA. I WOULD LIKE
THE OEM AND SEATTLE CF STAFF AT
5th AND WASHINGTON. I WOULD LIKE
TO USE OUR RADIOS TO TEST HOW
WELL OUR EMERGENCY
COMMUNICATIONS WORK AT LARGE
SCALE. I PARTICIPATED IN A LARGE
HUB DRILLS AND SMALL HUB DRILLS
AND I BELIEVE IN THE CONCEPT OF
HAVING SMALL AUTONOMOUS UNITS,
THAT IS A RECIPE FOR RESILIENCE
BUT WE CAN'T IGNORE THE FACT
THAT THREE QUARTERS OF 1 MILLION
PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, SOME OF
THEM DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, SOME
OF WHOM ARE CHILDREN AND SOME OF
WHOM, I'M SORRY TO SAY, ARE
STUPID. THOSE OF US WHO THINK
ABOUT DISASTERS HAVE TO THINK
ABOUT THESE THINGS AT LARGE
SCALE. I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH
ANYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE WHO
WANTS ME TO WORK WITH IN ORDER
TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. HAVE TO
ASSUME THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE HAS THE REQUISITE
KNOWLEDGE TO TELL ME WHERE TO GO
AND WHO TO TALK TO AND PERHAPS
MAKE AN INTRODUCTION FOR ME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I AM CRAIG THOMPSON. I HAVE
THREE ALLERGIES. THIS IS NOT MY
BILL CLINTON IMPERSONATION. FOR
23 YEARS, I HAVE BEEN A STEWARD
IN WHAT IS CALLED THE JUNGLE.
THE JUNGLE IS NOT REALLY A
PLACE, IT IS A SOCIAL CONDITION
IN A SEATTLE. I LIVE ON THE
NORTHERN TIP OF BEACON HILL.
TODAY, WE HAVE FOUR PARKS THAT
ARE DEFECTIVE, NO LONGER IN
CONTROL OF THE CITY OF SEATTLE.
IT IS NOT JUST THAT THERE ARE
HOMELESS PEOPLE CAMPING THERE,
INSTEAD, A GROUP THAT IS
ASSOCIATED WITH ORGANIZED CRIME
HAS TAKEN OVER THE AREA AND IS
DOING LARGE AMOUNTS OF FENTANYL
NOT ONLY INTO DISTRICT TO BUT
ALSO INTO ONE, THREE, FIVE, AND
SEVEN. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I
HAVE TRACKED VEHICLES, CARS,
ELECTRIC BIKES THAT COME TO MY
NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN TAKE IT
AWAY. IN 2016, THEN COUNCIL
PRESIDENT BRUCE HARRELL ASKED ME
TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL TO
SOLVE THESE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT
AFFECT MY PARTICULAR
STEWARDSHIP. EVEN THOUGH I DO
NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT PROPOSAL
WAS ENACTED, MANY OF THE POINTS
THAT I HAD MADE THEN WERE INDEED
PUT INTO PLACE INDEPENDENTLY. I
BELIEVE WHAT IS NEEDED NOW IS
THE INTERAGENCY TASK FORCE
BETWEEN THE STATE, CITY, AND
COUNTY IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE
SITUATION THAT WE FACE. I HAVE
BEEN A LIAISE AND IN THE PAST
FOUR TASK FORCE UNDER GREG
NICHOLS ADMINISTRATION AND I
WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE
MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION TOO. I
BELIEVE NOW IS THE TIME THAT WE
CAN PUT TOGETHER THAT TASK
FORCE. WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE
OF THE SEATTLE SALUTE. WHAT WE
NEED INSTEAD IS TO COME TOGETHER
AND TO WORK AND SOLVE THIS ISSUE
AND WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER NOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE ANDREA
TORRES.
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU. I WILL
STAY ON TOPIC WITH THE CAMERA.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, TULSA,
OKLAHOMA HAD 100% HOMICIDE
CLEARANCE RATE IN 2023, 24 AND
25 BECAUSE THAT CRIMINALS KNEW
THERE WERE CAMERAS ALL OVER THE
STATE. THEY STOP SHOOTING AT
COPS AND ROBBERS BECAUSE THERE
WAS NOTHING LEFT TO FILM. CRIME
WENT COMPLETELY DOWN IN TERMS OF
HOMICIDE. THERE WERE SOME PRO
CAMERAS SOLVING HATE CRIMES AND
KIDNAPPINGS AND MURDERS, CRIMES
AGAINST SENIORS AND ALSO THIS
ILLEGAL DUMPING THING THAT WE
SEE IN OUR PARKS, COPPER WIRE
STRIPPING, STOLEN LIME BIKE
BATTERIES IN DISTRICT 2. WE
CLEARED 50,000 POUNDS OF TRASH
AND 340 YARD DUMPSTERS A COUPLE
OF WEEKS AGO, SPENDING $50,000
OF PRIVATE DONATIONS ON SAFETY,
DUMP FEES TO CLEAR THE SOUTH END
OF THE PARK SO WE KNOW THESE
AREAS COULD USE CAMERAS TO
DETER. DETER, DETER AND THEN
PREVENT. SO, PRO CAMERA. ALSO,
JUST FROM A CULTURAL STANDPOINT,
I GUESS I WILL GO AND PIGGYBACK
ON WHAT I AM SEEING IN DISTRICT
TWO AS WELL. I AM KIND OF
GETTING FAMOUS FOR CARRYING
AROUND MY BAG OF FENTANYL BOILS.
OFTEN SOMETIMES THESE ARE LOADED
WITH RED. THIS WAS PICKED UP IN
STURGIS . THESE ARE PLAYGROUNDS.
THESE ARE FOR DOGS. THESE ARE
FOR KIDS. THESE ARE FOR
FAMILIES. THE FOIL IS RAMPANT. I
JUST GOT BACK FROM SAN FRANCISCO
LAST WEEKEND AND SAW NO FOIL.
WHY? BECAUSE THEY STOPPED
HANDING IT OUT. THESE ARE SOME
THINGS WE CAN DO. ALSO FROM A
CULTURAL STANDPOINT, WHY IS 12
AND JACKSON THE HOTSPOT? WHY IS
THERE AN PINE? SECOND AND
LENORA? COMMONALITY OF EACH OF
THOSE CORNERS ARE SMOKE SHOPS.
WHAT DOES A SMOKE SHOP SELL?
MEDAL PIPES, FENTANYL SHOOTERS.
LITTLE DRUG PARAPHERNALIA SO YOU
CAN BE THE PERFECT DRUG DEALER.
WE ENCOURAGE THIS CULTURE. WE
ARE PASSING LEGISLATION THAT
ZONES OUT THE ABILITY TO SELL --
DAN'S MARKET SELLS THE PIPES.
THIS IS HOW WE CAN START TO
CREATE LEGISLATION TO STOP THIS
TYPE OF DISTRIBUTION WITH THIS
ENABLEMENT FINALE A.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THE FIRST REMOTE SPEAKER WILL
BE GARY LEE FOLLOWED BY DAVID
HAYNES. PLEASE PRESS*6 WHEN YOU
HEAR THE PROMPT THAT YOU HAVE
BEEN UNMUTED.
>> HELLO. I AM GARY LEE FROM THE
PA DNA MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COUNCIL AND I WOULD LIKE
TO THANK KETTLE FOR HIS OPENING
REMARKS. THEY WERE RIGHT ON AND
THEY WERE SO ACCURATE. HOPEFULLY
IT WILL BRING MEMORY AND
KNOWLEDGE TO THOSE NEW MEMBERS
OF THE COUNCIL. I WANT TO THANK
ANDREA TORRES FOR HER REMARKS
JUST NOW. SHE IS SO RIGHT ON. I
AM AGAINST CB 121180 . IT WILL
MOST LIKELY CREATE 60 DAYS OF
CRIME, UNMITIGATED END IT WILL
MOSTLY ADD TO THE PROBLEMS THAT
12th AND JACKSON. I AM TOTALLY
FOR THE CAMERAS AND TECHNOLOGY
AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT UP AND WE
NEED TO NOT PUT ON THESE STRANGE
AND WEIRD PAUSES. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE DAVID HAYNES.
>> THANK YOU. DAVID HAYNES. IF
THIS COUNCIL PUT HALF THE EFFORT
INTO COMBATING THE DRUG PUSHERS
THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO ACTING
LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
YOUR BIGGEST THREAT, PERHAPS YOU
COULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF
BODIES DROPPING DEAD ON THIRD
AVENUE. WITH THE FACIAL
RECOGNITION, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE
OVERREACTED TO MAKE IT MORE
DIFFICULT TO GET ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY LIKE A DRONE TO
FOLLOW BACK THE PREDATORY DRUG
PUSHER THAT KEEPS SUPPLYING THE
OPEN DRUG MARKETS IN AND AROUND
THIRD BUT WE SEE PEOPLE
OVERREACTING BECAUSE THEY ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT SURVEILLANCE
CAMERAS YET, THEY DON'T SAY
ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YET, WHEN IT
COMES TO RUNNING INTERFERENCE
FOR DRUG PUSHERS IN DOWNTOWN AND
ALL AROUND SEATTLE, IT SEEMS TO
BE BAKED INTO THE BUDGET AND THE
TRAINING OF THE POLICE WHERE
THEY WOULD RATHER COME UP WITH
EXCUSES OF STAFFING AND WRAP
FENCES AROUND THE ALLEYWAYS
DOWNTOWN TO APPEASE THE CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE THEN SWEEP A WHOLE
BUNCH OF EVIL PREDATORY CUSTOM
LEADERS WHO NEVER WOULD TRESPASS
AND PUT ON A PROPER PATH OF
PUNISHMENT AND DRUG TREATMENT
AND THEY CAME UP TO BELLTOWN AND
TO CHINATOWN AND MADE IT WORSE
AND THE SAME BAD POLICIES THAT
BRUCE HARRELL CREATED WHEN HE
STARTED RUNNING INTERFERENCE IS
STILL BEING FOLLOWED AND NOBODY
WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT. THEY
DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH
THEIR DATA IS CONCERNED ABOUT
SURVEILLANCE BY THE POLICE STATE
OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. ALL
OF THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING
VICARIOUSLY THROUGH THE PAST AND
THEY ARE GETTING IN THE WAY OF
PROPER POLICY AND YOU ALL ARE
NOWHERE NEAR CLOSE TO BEING
PREPARED FOR FIFA AND THE
GENERAL STATE OF ANY INNOCENT
RESIDENT GOING DOWNTOWN, IT IS
UNSAFE BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE BAD
POLICIES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
HAS EXPIRED. WE WILL NOW PROCEED
TO OUR ITEMS OF BUSINESS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE
ENCOURAGED TO EITHER SUBMIT
WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
SIGN OF CARDS AVAILABLE ON THE
PODIUM OR THE EMAIL AT THE
COUNCIL. BEFORE MOVING ON, I DO
WANT TO THANK FORMER
COUNCILMEMBER WOO FOR BEING HERE
AND I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE, I
HAVE AN EMAIL FROM MR. CRAIG
THOMPSON AND ALSO GENEVIEVE
COURTNEY RELATED TO THIS AND IT
REMINDS ME OF A RECENT PUBLIC
SAFETY WALK THAT COUNCILMEMBER
LIN AND I HAD NORTH BEACON HILL
I WENT INTO LITTLE SAIGON AND
BASICALLY THE CID AND IT WAS
ILLUMINATING, THE POINTS MADE BY
PRETTY MUCH EVERY SPEAKER REALLY
BACKED UP WHAT WE SAW IN OUR
PUBLIC SAFETY WALK AND WHAT IS
DOCUMENTED HERE IN THIS EMAIL
FROM MR. THOMPSON AND MS.
COURTNEY. THANK YOU. I HAVE IT
HERE. I WANT TO CLOSE BY SAYING
I HAVE A SOFT SPOT FOR ALL
DISASTER NERDS. I WAS AT THE
MEETING WITH AMANDA AND, YES, WE
NEED TO DO MORE EARTHQUAKE
DRILLS AND WE NEED TO SNATCH
CAPTAINS AND ALL OF THE ARRESTS
IN TERMS OF HUBCAPS. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR SERVICE IN TERMS OF
THAT. AGAIN, WE NEED MORE
DISASTER NERDS. OKAY. I WILL NOW
MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM OF
BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
READ ITEM WANTED TO THE RECORD?
>> COUNCIL BILL CB 121180, AN
ORDINANCE RELATING TO INQUIRIES
INTO IMMIGRATION STATUS CHANGING
THE REQUIREMENTS OR
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL MAY
INQUIRE INTO A PERSON'S
CITIZENSHIP OR IMMIGRATION
STATUS TO ALIGN THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE WITH STATE LAW
AND AMENDING SECTION 4.1 8.015
OF THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> MR. JOHNSON FROM CENTRAL
STAFF, PLEASE JOIN US AT THE
TABLE. INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR
THE RECORD AND THEN GIVE A
BACKGROUND ON CB 121180. THANK
YOU.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR KETTLE,
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. TAMASO
JOHNSON FROM COUNCIL CENTRAL
STAFF. I WILL PROVIDE A BRIEF
SUMMARY AND CONTEXT OF CB 121180
ON IMMIGRATION STATUS INQUIRIES.
JUST AS GENERAL BACKGROUND,
ADMINISTRATION ENFORCEMENT OF
U.S. IMMIGRATION LAW IS
EXCLUSIVELY A FUNCTION OF THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. FEDERAL LAW
PROHIBITS STATES OR
MUNICIPALITIES FROM ENACTING
LAWS THAT WOULD RESTRICT SHARING
OF IMMIGRATION STATUS FROM THE
MUNICIPALITIES BACK TO THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUT IT DOES
NOT RESTRICT OUR ABILITY TO
CHANGE HOW WE COLLECT THAT
INFORMATION. IN 2019, THE
WASHINGTON STATE LEGISLATURE
PASSED A KEEP WASHINGTON WORKING
ACT AS APPLIED TO WASHINGTON
CITY'S KEEP WASHINGTON WORKING.
IT DOES SEVERAL THINGS BUT MOST
RELATE TO THIS CONVERSATION IS
THAT IT IMPOSES CERTAIN
RESTRICTIONS ON THE COLLECTION
OF IMMIGRATION STATUS
INFORMATION, INCLUDING THOSE
THAT SPECIFICALLY APPLY TO STATE
AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT
STATE LAW PROVISION RESTRICTS
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM
INQUIRING INTO IMMIGRATION
STATUS UNLESS THERE IS A
CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS
INFORMATION AND AN INVESTIGATION
INTO A VIOLATION OF STATE OR
LOCAL CRIMINAL LAW. I WOULD SAY
THE ENFORCEMENT PIECES THERE ARE
BOTH THE CONNECTION BETWEEN AND
THE FACT THAT THIS RESTRICTION
JUSTIFIES THAT IMMIGRATION
STATUS MUST HAVE A CONNECTION TO
STATE OR LOCAL LAW AS OPPOSED TO
A FEDERAL LAW IMMIGRATION
VIOLATION. AS A GENERAL MATTER,
WHEN WASHINGTON STATE HAS
AUTHORITY OVER AN AREA OF LAW,
IT CHOOSES TO REGULATE AND
CONTROL THE WAY STATE LAW IS
CONSIDERED TO SUPERSEDE ANY
CONFLICTING LOCAL LAW. IN TERMS
OF THE CITY OF SEATTLE CURRENT
LAW ENVIRONMENT , THE CURRENT
POLICY IN SEATTLE WAS CREATED IN
2003. THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT
PEOPLE WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH
WHICH IS GENERALLY REFERRED TO
AS THE DON'T ASK ORDINANCE.
THAT IMPOSES THE GENERAL
PROHIBITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES TO
ASK ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS.
THERE IS -- IN THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE, THERE IS A
CURRENT CITY LAW EXCEPTION TO
THAT, DESCRIBING THE
CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH
OFFICERS ARE ALLOWED TO ACT. THE
CRITERIA FOR THAT IS SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT FROM THOSE THAT THINK
THE EXISTING STATE LAW. THE
CURRENT CITY CRITERIA ARE THREE
PARTS. NUMBER ONE, THE PERSON
THAT FPD IS INTERACTING WITH ,
THEY HAVE REASONABLE SUSPICION
TO BELIEVE THAT, NUMBER ONE,
THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN
DEPORTED FROM THE UNITED STATES.
TWO, THAT THIS PERSON IS AGAIN
PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES,
AND THAT THE PERSON IS
COMMITTING OR HAS COMMITTED A
FELONY, CRIMINAL LAW VIOLATION.
SO, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE,
CURRENT CRITERIA DIFFER BOTH IN
THE FACT THAT THEY RELATE TO
PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES,
PRIOR DEPORTATION AND CURRENT
PRESENCE. THOSE ARE NOT CITY OR
STATE LAW CRITERIA. THOSE ARE
FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW CRITERIA
AND THE COMMITTING OR HAVE
COMMITTED A FELONY DOESN'T
SPECIFY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A
STATE LAW FELONY. FROM A
PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, THIS CITY
LAW AND ANY OTHER LAWS THAT
GOVERN OPERATIONAL POLICY ARE
EFFECTUATED THROUGH THE ISSUE
AND DEPARTMENTAL POLICY
DIRECTIVE. WHAT OFFICERS DO OR
DON'T DO ON THE GROUND LEVEL IS
LESS SO OFTEN BY THE EXACT
LETTER OF FNC END MORE BY THE
DEPARTMENTAL POLICY WHICH
ADHERES TO APPLICABLE LAW. I
THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW
THAT JUST BECAUSE CURRENT SPD
POLICY DOESN'T INVOKE THE
OPTION CONTEMPLATED BY THE
QUESTION OR CITI THAT WOULD
ALLOW OFFICERS TO MAKE
IMMIGRATION STATUS INQUIRIES
UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES I
DESCRIBED, RATHER, SIMPLY STATES
THAT THE OFFICERS WILL NOT
INQUIRE ABOUT ANYONE'S
IMMIGRATION STATUS UNLESS
EXCEPTIONAL DIRECTIVE HAS BEEN
ISSUED BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
AS OF THIS TIME, THERE HAS NOT
BEEN ANY SUCH DIRECTIVE SO THE
OPERATIONAL POLICY IS TO NEVER
INQUIRE ON IMMIGRATION STATUS.
WITH THAT SUMMARY, WHAT THIS
BILL WOULD DO, IN SOME WAYS YOU
CAN CONSIDER IT A TECHNICAL
CHANGE THAT WOULD CONFORM TO
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE TO 2019
CHANGES TO STATE LAW, KEEP
WASHINGTON WORKING ACT AND TO
BRING THOSE TWO INTO ALIGNMENT.
AS I SAID BEFORE, THE
OPERATIONAL EFFECT ON WHAT SPD
WILL AND WON'T DO, THE CURRENT
STATE IS GOING TO BE NONEXISTENT
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE SPD ALREADY
HAS A POLICY THAT REQUIRES THAT
YOU NEVER ASK. IT IS AN
IMPORTANT CHANGE, NONETHELESS TO
ENSURE THAT CITY LAW AND ESTATE
LAW ARE ALIGNED IN THAT WAY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. YES,
WE HAVE TO ALIGN OUR CITY LAW
WITH STATE LAW WHICH WAS IN MY
PUBLIC COMMENT, MY CHAIR, AND
THIS MORNING. BEFORE MOVING ON,
I DO WANT TO MOVE TO RECOMMEND
PASSAGE OF CB 121180. IS THERE A
SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED TO
RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF THE BILL .
COUNCILMEMBER TRENTON HAS
SPONSORED THE BILL. THANK YOU
FOR THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
ADDRESS IT?
>> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR KETTLE
AND THANK YOU TO CENTRAL STAFF
FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. ALSO, I
WOULD LIKE TO THINK
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA FOR YOUR
PRIOR BILL UPDATING SECTION 418
-- CHAPTER 418 OF OUR SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE TO BE MORE IN
LINE WITH OUR CURRENT VALUES AND
ALSO TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE
KEEP WASHINGTON WORKING ACT AND
TO GO FURTHER. THIS UPDATE, WE
HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. WE DID
NOT HAVE THE TIME AT THE MOMENT
TO DO THE WORK TO UPDATE THE
PRIOR BILL AND DID NOT WANT TO
DELAY THAT PRIOR BILL SO WE TOOK
THE TIME TO WORK WITH LAW AND
SPD TO UPDATE THIS SECTION AND
REALLY JUST TO ALIGN OUR CURRENT
CODE WITH STATE CODE. CHAIR
KETTLE, THANK YOU EARLIER FOR
MENTIONING DOING THE PUBLIC
SAFETY WALK ON NORTH BEACON. I
WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC
COMMENTERS FOR BEING HERE TODAY
AND JUST TO SAY THAT WE HAVE
SOME ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE TOUGH
PUBLIC POLICY QUESTIONS ABOUT
HOW TO BALANCE THINGS LIKE
PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATIONS AND PRIVACY AND
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE
DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS LATER BUT
THIS BILL, I FEEL LIKE, IS MORE
OF AN EASY ONE. IT IS ONE JUST
TO ALIGN US WITH THE KEEP
WASHINGTON WORKING ACT. ALSO,
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE VALUES
OF THE KEEP WASHINGTON WORKING
ACT, NOT ONLY DOES IT PROTECT
OUR NEIGHBORS INCLUDING FOLKS
WHO MIGHT -- THERE MIGHT BE A
CIVIL INFECTION RELATED TO THE
IMMIGRATION STATUS AS A CIVIL
MATTER, NOT A CRIMINAL MATTER
BUT IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE WHO MAY
BE UNDOCUMENTED TO FEEL
COMFORTABLE WITH LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT SO IT ACTUALLY --
NOT ONLY DOES IT PROTECT
PRIVACY, IT ALSO HELPS WITH
PUBLIC SAFETY. IN THAT CASE ,
THERE SHOULD BE ONE NEEDED TO
SUPPORT THE KEEP WASHINGTON
WORKING ACT BUT OUR VALUES ARE
IN ALIGNMENT THERE AND HOPEFULLY
WOULD LOVE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK
YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LIN.
THANK YOU. THAT IS IMPORTANT AS
WELL, HAVING A RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND SPD IN THE
CITY . THAT COMMUNICATION REALLY
MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AGAIN, YOU
SEE THIS PUBLIC SAFETY WALK THAT
WE HAD IN NORTH BEACON HILL AND
LITTLE SAIGON AND IT IS SO
CRUCIAL. THESE LITTLE PIECES ARE
SO IMPORTANT. THE PRECINCT
LIEUTENANT , IT IS KEY TO HAVE
THAT COMMUNICATION. VERY
IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. AS ALWAYS,
BEFORE MY HAND IS UP, I WAS GO
TO MY VICE CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER
SAKA. VICE CHAIR SAKA, DO YOU
HAVE ANYTHING? OTHERWISE I WILL
GO TO COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA.
>> NO. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST
WANT TO THINK COUNCILMEMBER LIN
AND YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THANK
YOU.
>> OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND THANK
YOU COUNCILMEMBER LIN FOR
ALLOWING US TIME TO DO THE
REVIEW AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THE BILL THAT I
BROUGHT THAT REALLY HAD TO DO
WITH ENSURING THAT WE WERE
ALIGNED WITH KEEP WASHINGTON
WORKING BUT ALSO ADDING WHAT
WASHINGTON WORKING WAS DOING
WHICH IS OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS
ALSO NOT SHARING INFORMATION SO
THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND
THEN ALLOWING US TIME TO DO THE
DUE DILIGENCE TO DO MORE WORK ON
THIS BILL WHICH I SEE IS HAVING
READ KEEP WASHINGTON WORKING ,
THE STATE LAW, THIS ALIGNS WITH
STATE LAW AND AT THE END OF THE
DAY, STATE LAW IS WHAT PREVAILS,
WHETHER OR NOT WE BRING THIS
INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.
WE SHOULD BRING IT INTO
COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAW
BECAUSE THAT IS THE LAW OF THE
LAND WHETHER WE DO THAT OR NOT
AND IT IS ALSO ADVANTAGEOUS TO
ENSURE THAT WE REFLECT WHAT IS
THE LAW OF THE LAND SO THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING THIS TO MAKE THAT
CHANGE TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE
LAW WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE
REQUIRED TO DO. APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> I WILL SAY, AS CHAIR, IT IS
REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO
THIS. AGAIN, THIS IS THE DUE
DILIGENCE WERE IT IS ALSO GOOD
GOVERNANCE AND IT IS ALSO
SIGNALING PROFESSIONALISM AND
ENSURING THAT THESE PIECES ARE
IN PLACE BUT THAT WE ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR DUTIES HERE
IN THE CITY. COUNCILMEMBER LIN,
I THANK YOU FOR THIS BILL. IT
ALSO CHAIRS NICELY WITH
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA'S BILL AS
IT RELATES TO STATE LAW. THE TWO
BILLS I SPONSORED , WE HAVE DATA
PRIVACY BY COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER
AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER RINK
HERE, NOW WITH THE 60 DAY PAUSE
ON ALPR, AS I SAID IN A RECENT
SHOW, CITY INSIDE-OUT COUNCIL
EDITION , IT IS CUMULATIVE, THE
COMBINATION IS GREATER THAN THE
SUM OF THE PARTS. IT SHOWS THE
VALUE PIECE THAT THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS TALKING ABOUT BUT THERE
IS ALSO THE PRACTICAL PIECES AND
IT SHOWS LEADERSHIP. I WANT TO
THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED, AS I
MENTIONED. THANK YOU FOR THESE
BILLS AND THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN
DONE. WITH THAT SAID, AND AGAIN,
STRAIGHTFORWARD, CLEAN, TIGHTLY
DONE COUNCIL MEMBER LIN. COUNCIL
BILL IS PUSHING FORWARD. WILL
THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO PASS
CB 121180?
>> COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER LIN?
>> YES.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> CHAIR KETTLE.
>> THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
COUNCIL BILL BE SENT TO THE
MARCH 31 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE. NOW, WE
WILL SHIFT TO OUR SECOND ITEM OF
BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
READ ITEM 2 INTO THE RECORD?
>> CB 121179 , AN ORDINANCE
RELATING TO COLLECTION OF
SURVEILLANCE DATA, SPECIFYING
CONDITIONS FOR A MANDATORY 60
DAY PAUSE IN DATA COLLECTION FOR
THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
CLOSED-CIRCUIT TELEVISION, CCTV
AND AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE
RECOGNITION SYSTEM, THE ALPR AND
AMENDING ORDINANCES 127044 AND
127297.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR
THE RECORD?
>> GREG DOSS, CANCEL CENTRAL
STAFF .
>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL TELL YOU
WHAT. LET'S GO WITH THE SUMMARY
FIRST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS A
SECOND PART AND YOU CAN GO RIGHT
INTO THE OLYMPIA PIECE BUT CAN
YOU GIVE A SUMMARY OF THE BILL?
>> YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND
GOOD MORNING, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
GREG DOSS, CANCEL CENTRAL STAFF
HERE TO TALK ABOUT CB 121179
WHICH WOULD SPECIFY CONDITIONS
FOR A MANDATORY 60 DAY PAUSE IN
DATA COLLECTION FOR SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT'S CCTV AND
ALPR SYSTEM. THIS BILL WAS FIRST
HEARD ON MARCH 10 IN DRAFT FORM
AND IT HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN
INTRODUCED TO THE COUNCIL ON
MARCH 17. THERE WAS ONE
PRE-INTRODUCTORY CHANGE THAT WAS
MADE LAST TUESDAY BEFORE
INTRODUCTION. THE BILL WOULD NOW
TRIGGER A SYSTEM PAUSE IF THERE
IS DATA RELATED PURSUANT TO A
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE MATTER. A
BRIEF HIGH-LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE
BILL AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, FOR
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CB 121179
WOULD DO FOUR THINGS. IT WOULD
EXTEND SPD'S PATROL VEHICLE --
EXTENDED TWO SPD PATROL ALPR
SYSTEM, THE VERY SAME PAUSE
PROVISIONS THAT APPLY TO SPD'S
CCTV NETWORK AND THOSE -- THAT
PAUSE WILL COME WHEN THE
SYSTEM'S DATA HAS BEEN
REQUESTED UNDER A WARRANT OR
ORDER PURSUANT TO THE PURPOSE OF
CIVIL IMMIGRATION. THE SECOND
THING IT DOES IS ADD A COUPLE OF
ADDITIONAL TRIGGERS THAT COULD
CREATE A PAUSE IN THE SUCH THAT
THE PAUSE WOULD APPLY TO CCTV
AND ALPR WHEN A REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTHCARE OR A GENDER AFFIRMING
CARE MATTER ARE IN QUESTION.
THIRD, IT WOULD REQUIRE A 60 DAY
PAUSE OF THE CCTV OR ALPR DATA
COLLECTION IF THE MAYOR AND THE
POLICE CHIEF HAD JOINTLY
DETERMINED THAT THE DATA MAY BE
AT RISK OF DISCLOSURE FOR AGAIN
FEDERAL IMMIGRATION REPUBLIC
HEALTH OR GENDER AFFIRMING CARE
IN THE SUCH DISCLOSURE MAY
APPEAR CONCURRENTLY WITH
INCREASED PRESENCE OF
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
PERSONNEL IN SEATTLE. LASTLY, IT
WOULD AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR, WHEN
NECESSARY, TO ISSUE AN EXECUTIVE
ORDER THAT WOULD TEMPORARILY
REDUCE DATA COLLECTION IF
NECESSARY TO GATHER IN TRANSIT
THE PROSECUTORS EVIDENCE OF
POTENTIALLY UNLAWFUL ACTS THAT
OCCUR DURING THE CIVIL
IMMIGRATION REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTHCARE OR GENDER AFFIRMING
CARE ENFORCEMENT. IS A BRIEF
SUMMARY. ON MARCH 10,
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ ASKED
WHETHER THE BILLS USE OF THE
WORD WARRANT COULD BE
INTERPRETED AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE
WARRANT OR A JUDICIAL WARRANT .
AFTER TALKING WITH THE CODE
ADVISER AND CENTRAL STAFF
COUNCIL, I WOULD NOTE THAT THE
USE OF THE WORD IN THE CONTEXT
OF OTHER BILL LANGUAGE COULD
INVITE AN INTERPRETATION OF
EITHER ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT OR
A JUDICIAL WARRANT AND THAT SUCH
AN INTERPRETATION WOULD NEED TO
BE MADE BY THE MAYOR'S STAFF
WHEN THEY ARE DETERMINING
WHETHER THE SYSTEM MAY BE
COMPROMISED. OR, PUT ANOTHER
WAY, IT IS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
WHO WOULD INTERPRET THE TERM
WARRANT. THEY COULD INTERPRETED
TO MEAN ANY KIND OF WARRANT AND
SUBSEQUENTLY -- WITH THAT AS A
HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW, I WILL
PAUSE AND ASK IF THERE IS ANY
QUESTIONS AND AS THE CHAIR
MENTIONED, YOU DID ASK ME TO
PREPARE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF
SESSION LAW WHICH JUST PASSED AT
THE END OF SESSION AND IS
AWAITING THE GOVERNOR SIGNATURE
AND WOULD AFFECT SEATTLE'S ALPR
SYSTEM.
>> WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND
DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
>> OKAY. SB 6002 WOULD AUTHORIZE
ALPR SYSTEMS ONLY FOR USE BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT, PARKING ENFORCEMENT
AND TRANSPORTATION STUDIES. IT
WOULD PROHIBIT ANY AGENCY FROM
USING ALPR SYSTEMS FOR
IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATIONS OR
COLLECTING DATA NEAR SOME
FACILITIES SUCH AS SCHOOLS,
PLACES OF WORSHIP, COURT OR FOOD
BANKS. AGENCIES THAT USE ALPR
TECHNOLOGY MUST REGISTER THEIR
SYSTEM WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
AND RELEASE ALL COLLECTED DATA
WITHIN 21 DAYS EXCEPT FOR DATA
RELATED TO CRIMINAL WARRANTS OR
SUBPOENAS WERE NECESSARY TO
RETAIN FOR EVIDENCE AND
SPECIFIED UNLAWFUL PURPOSES.
PARKING ENFORCEMENT DATA MUST BE
DELETED WITHIN 12 HOURS.
AGENCIES MAY NOT DISCLOSE,
SHARE, OR PERMIT ACCESS TO ALPR
DATA AND THE DATA IS EXEMPTED
FROM THE STATE'S PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE ACT. THE EFFECT ON
SPD , AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE, AS OF LAST
FRIDAY PAUSED ALL ALPR SYSTEMS
WHILE THERE IS A REVIEW OF DATA
SECURITY ON THOSE SYSTEMS. THE
SYSTEMS ARE IN POVERTY NOW.
SHOULD THE MAYOR REACTIVATE
THOSE SYSTEMS, THERE WOULD BE
IMPLICATIONS FOR THE SPD PATROL
FLEET AND THE HILLS FLEET. THE
PATROL FLEET RECEIVES ALPR
SERVICES FROM THE VENDOR AXON
AND IT IS ALL OF SPD PATROL
VEHICLES. THE PATROL USERS ALPR
TO LOCATE MISSING PERSON, STOLEN
VEHICLES AND FUGITIVES ON LOCAL
AND FEDERAL LAND. SPD IS WORKING
WITH AXON TO IMPLEMENT A
GEO-FENCING SOFTWARE THAT WOULD
AUTOMATICALLY SHUT OFF AND
REACTIVATE THE ALPR WHENEVER IT
IS NEAR ANY OF THE SITES THAT
ARE SPECIFIED IN THE BILL 6002.
AGAIN, THAT IS FOOD BANKS OR
IMMIGRATION ORIENTED SERVICE
PROVIDERS OR HEALTHCARE
PROVIDERS, ET CETERA. SPD IS
CURRENTLY ASSUMING THAT AXON
WILL DEVELOP GEO-FENCING
SOFTWARE AND THAT IT WILL BE
PROVIDED TO SEATTLE AT NO
ADDITIONAL COST. THIS ASSUMPTION
IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT AXON
PROVIDES ALPR SERVICES ACROSS
THE STATE AND SEATTLE IS NOT THE
ONLY ONE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED
BY THIS LEGISLATION. THEN,
LASTLY, OUR PO FLEET IS ON A
SYSTEM CALLED GENENTECH.
GENENTECH PROVIDES ALPR SERVICES
AND 15 VEHICLES AND THOSE
VEHICLES ARE USED FOR
RESIDENTIAL PARKING ZONE
ENFORCEMENT. IT IS THE CASE THAT
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE USED
FOR RPD ENFORCEMENT WHILE THE
SYSTEM IS DOWN OR WHEN THE
SYSTEM COMES BACK ON BEFORE THEY
CAN IMPLEMENT SOME SORT OF DEAL
OR GEO-FENCING SOLUTION
THEMSELVES. IN THIS CASE, SPD
EXPECTS THAT GENTECH WILL NOT BE
ABLE TO IMPLEMENT A GEO-FENCING
SOLUTION UNTIL POTENTIALLY LATER
THIS YEAR. THERE WILL BE SOME
REVENUE IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE IT
IS FAR LESS EFFICIENT FOR CEOs
TO TRUCK VEHICLES THAN TO DO IT
ELECTRONICALLY AND WE ARE
WORKING ON THOSE FISCAL
IMPLICATION ESTIMATES NOW .
THAT, MR. CHAIR, IS ALL I HAVE
AND I AM OPEN TO QUESTIONS ON
THIS BILL OR OTHERS.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT SUMMARY
AND I WOULD NOTE, THE MAYOR SAID
WE WILL PAUSE THIS TOOL IN
SEATTLE UNTIL WE ARE SURE THAT
OUR PRACTICES ARE CONSISTENT
WITH THE NEW STATE LAW. THAT
SHOULD BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND
REFLECT THE BEST SAFETY AND
SECURITY POLICIES, WHICH WE
HAVE. ONCE THAT IS DONE, AS
NOTED, IN TERMS OF MY COMMENTS
RELATED TO OUR OATH TO
ORDINANCES AND THE FACT THAT WE
HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES --
OKAY. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND
PASSAGE OF COUNCIL BILL 121179.
IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED TO
RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF THE BILL.
COUNCILMEMBER RINK , AS A
SPONSOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
ADDRESS IT?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN BRINGING
THIS TO COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU
FOR THE OVERVIEW TODAY, GREG
DOSS. COLLEAGUES, SINCE WE LAST
MET TWO WEEKS AGO IN PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THIS
, A FEW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. THE
MAYOR ANNOUNCING A TEMPORARY
PAUSE ON ALPR TECHNOLOGY,
PRIMARILY NECESSITATED BY THE
PASSAGE OF SENATE BILL 6002 .
PAUSING THE PROGRAM IN ORDER TO
BRING US IN ALIGNMENT WITH STATE
LAW. THAT BEING SAID, I DO
BELIEVE AS A SEPARATE BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT
WE ALSO BUILD IN OUR OWN
GUARDRAILS THROUGH THIS
LEGISLATION. AS MENTIONED, THE
LAST TIME WE MET IN COMMITTEE
AND AS MR. DOSS REITERATED, THIS
IS GOING TO THE AMENDMENT THAT
COUNCILMEMBER -- PARDON ME,
KETTLE AND I COSPONSORED FOR THE
CCTV PROGRAM. THE 60 DAY PAUSING
APPLIED WHEN THERE ARE WARRANTS
OR SUBPOENAS FOR CIVIL,
IMMIGRATION, HEALTHCARE MATTERS.
I KNOW WE ALL AGREED THAT WE DO
NOT WANT DATA THAT IS COLLECTED
THROUGH ALPR TO BE USED AGAINST
OUR RESIDENTS FOR IMMIGRATION
ACTION, REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE
OR GENDER AFFIRMING CARE THAT IS
NOT THE INTENDED USE OF THE
TECHNOLOGY BUT THESE HAVE BEEN
CONCERNS RAISED BY THE ACLU IN A
NUMBER OF IMPACTED COMMUNITIES
AND WE HAVE SEEN ISSUES WITH THE
SHARING WITH SYSTEMS AROUND THE
COUNTRY AND I BELIEVE THAT FACT
WARRANTS US TAKING THIS ACTION
TODAY SO I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT
ON THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
>> VICE CHAIR?
>> NOTHING FROM ME. THANK YOU,
CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LIN?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND THANK
YOU TO COUNCILMEMBER RINK. I
JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR
HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY IN THIS
BILL -- AS WE REGULATE IN THESE
PUBLIC POLICY AREAS, AS WE WORK
TO BALANCE PUBLIC SAFETY AND
PRIVACY, THE DIFFICULT PART IS
THE FACTOR OF A CHANGING ON THE
GROUND SO RAPIDLY AND THOSE CAN
AFFECT THAT BALANCE . SO, FIVE
YEARS AGO, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE
IMAGINED ROE V WADE BEING
OVERTURNED BUT IT WAS . AND, I
DON'T THINK ANY OF US COULD
HAVE IMAGINED TWO YEARS AGO WHAT
WE HAVE SEEN FROM THIS
ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF NOT
HAVING RELIABLE PARTNERS AT THE
FEDERAL LEVEL. I THINK THIS BILL
STRIKES THE RIGHT BALANCE TO
PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, TO
PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND I
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS
FORWARD. I ALSO APPRECIATE
DURING THE PAUSE THAT THERE IS
FLEXIBILITY FOR THE MAYOR TO
ISSUE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO
TEMPORARILY RESUME FOR
TRANSMITTING EVIDENCE OF
POTENTIALLY UNLAWFUL ACTS
INCLUDING BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. SO, APPRECIATE
HAVING THAT POTENTIAL
FLEXIBILITY. IT IS HARD TO BE
PRESCRIPTIVE IN ALL OF THE
CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT MIGHT BE COMING OUR
WAY AND HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF
FLEXIBILITY THERE MAKES SENSE TO
ME SO THANK YOU, AGAIN,
COLLEAGUES FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LIN.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COUNCIL
MEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR . THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER RINK FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL. IT IS IN ESSENCE
ALIGNS WITH OUR CCTV TRIGGER
LAW. IT IS IMPORTANT IF WE KNOW
THAT WE ARE GETTING ANY WARRANTS
FROM THE FEDS ON INFORMATION
RELATED TO REPRODUCTIVE CARE OR
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE OR CIVIL
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT THAT WE
HAVE A TRIGGER IN ORDER TO
PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN
THE SEATTLE. I WILL SAY -- I
WILL BE SUPPORTING THE BILL. I
WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY
SOMETHING BROADER ABOUT THIS
ALPR AND OTHER CAMERAS ACROSS
THE CITY AND TO THE CHAIR'S
COMMENTS SENT HIS REPORT AT THE
TOP OF THE MEETING, I SUPPORT
ALL OF THE CHAIR'S COMMENTS
RELATED TO CAMERAS AND THE USE
OF CAMERAS IN THE CITY, IN THIS
CITY. IF YOU LOOK AT DATA FROM
SPD'S DATA DASHBOARD AS WELL AS
THE YEAR IN REVIEW, COMMENTS
THAT HE MADE, AND YOU CAN WATCH
ON THE SEATTLE CHANNEL, THE
TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN USED IN
ORDER TO RESOLVE HOMICIDE CASES.
THERE IS A PLACE FOR CAMERAS IN
BEING ABLE TO INVESTIGATE AND
RESOLVE REALLY HEINOUS CRIMES IN
OUR CITY FOR THE PROTECTION OF
OUR RESIDENTS. YOU ALL KNOW I
CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT GUN
VIOLENCE AND GUN VIOLENCE THAT
IMPACTS OUR YOUTH IN THE CITY
AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO USE
TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL HELP
INVESTIGATE CRIME RELATED TO GUN
VIOLENCE IN THE CITY IS
IMPORTANT. THERE IS BOTH A PLACE
FOR CAMERAS IN THE CITY AS WELL
AS OBVIOUS THE PROTECTIONS THAT
WE HAVE ALL WORKED TOGETHER AND
VERY HARD ON TO PUT IN PLACE SO
THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT BEING
USED IN INAPPROPRIATE OR
EGREGIOUS MANNER. BOTH OF THOSE
THINGS CAN COEXIST AND THEY ARE
TRUE. I DO BELIEVE ALSO IN
ENSURING THAT WHEN WE DECIDED
TO, AS A COUNCIL, EXPAND THE USE
OF CAMERAS, WE DID LOOK AT THE
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORT AND I
WILL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE WAS A
WORKING GROUP RELATED TO THE
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORT THAT
WEIGHED IN AND THAT WORKING
GROUP HAD BOTH EXTERNAL AND
INTERNAL PARTNERS. IT WASN'T
JUST INTERNAL PARTNERS. THESE
THINGS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE
WHAT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW
IS THAT WHEN THIS COUNCIL
EXPANDED THE USE OF CAMERAS
ACROSS THE CITY, IT DID SO ,
TAKING ALL OF THESE PRIVACY
PIECES AND IMPORTANT PIECES INTO
ACCOUNT. WE DID NOT DO THAT
LIGHTLY. WE DID NOT TAKE THAT
ACTION LIGHTLY AND I WANT TO
BRING THAT TO THE SURFACE AGAIN
AS WE ARE WORKING ON THESE
ISSUES RELATED TO CAMERAS ACROSS
THE CITY . AND, WE UNDERSTAND
THE PRIVACY PIECES TO THIS. AT
THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW THAT THIS
TECHNOLOGY, AS I SAID EARLIER,
HAS BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE SOME
IMPORTANT CRIMES IN ORDER TO
SAFEGUARD OUR FOLKS IN THE CITY.
SO, THESE ARE NOT EASY ACTIONS
OR CONVERSATIONS BUT THIS IS NOT
A CUT AND DRY ISSUE THAT WAY. IT
IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE, AS WE
ARE TAKING ALL OF THESE
IMPORTANT ACTIONS TO PROTECT THE
DATA , THAT THE CAMERAS ARE
IMPORTANT AND I TOO BELIEVE THAT
THESE CAMERAS NEED TO NOT ONLY
BE IN PLACE AT THE STADIUM
DISTRICT, WHICH WAS THE NEXT
PLACE WHERE WE WERE GOING TO
INSTALL CAMERAS, I APPRECIATE
THAT THE MAYOR WILL BE
INSTALLING THOSE CAMERAS. AND,
THOSE CAMERAS NEED TO BE
OPERATIONAL IN TIME FOR FIFA.
THIS IS A HUGE EVENT IN OUR CITY
AND WE NEED THE ABILITY TO, IF A
CRIME IS COMMITTED NEAR THE
STADIUM, IN ORDER TO LOOK AT
FOOTAGE IN INVESTIGATING AND
RESOLVING CRIME. TO ME, CAMERAS
ARE IMPORTANT IN THE
INVESTIGATION PROCESS AND I
BELIEVE WE NEED TO SAFEGUARD
INFORMATION ABSOLUTELY. DO I
SUPPORT THAT? ABSOLUTELY. AS I
HAVE SAID EARLIER, BOTH ARE
TRUE. I SUPPORT AN AUDIT , I
ALSO WANT TO SAY, AS THE CHAIR
SAID EARLIER, WE DID DO THINGS,
OR TAKE ACTION, RATHER -- WE
TOOK ACTION AND REVIEWED THE
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORT WHEN
WE TOOK THAT ACTION BECAUSE WE
TAKE ALL OF THESE THINGS VERY
SERIOUSLY. SO, AT THE END OF THE
DAY, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE
HAVE CAMERAS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE
TO PROTECT OUR FOLKS INCLUDING
THE CAMERA THAT IS SUPPOSED TO
BE GOING NEAR GARFIELD HIGH
SCHOOL . WE HAVE HAD FOLKS COME
TO CHAMBERS, PARENTS OF KIDS WHO
GO TO GARFIELD AND OUR OTHER
SCHOOLS ACROSS THE CITY AND HAVE
BEEN IN SUPPORT OF. WE NEED TO
BE RESPONSIVE TO COMMUNITY
MEMBERS AS WELL AND I BELIEVE
THAT WE CAN DO BOTH. WE CAN HAVE
THE CAMERAS AND PUT THE PRIVACY
PROTECTIONS IN PLACE SO THAT WE
CAN USE IT AS A TOOL IN
INVESTIGATING CRIMES TO PROTECT
OUR CITIZENS WHILE AT THE SAME
TIME PROTECTING CITIZENS'
PRIVACY. THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO MORE BROADLY
DISCUSS THIS -- THE CAMERAS IN
LIGHT OF THIS ALPR TRIGGER LAW
THAT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE
VOTING ON TODAY.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM
THE COMMITTEE? HEARING IN SEEING
NONE, I WILL GO TO MY COMMENTS.
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK MR. DOSS
AND I APOLOGIZE. I ALSO WANT TO
THANK MR. JOHNSON FOR THE
CENTRAL STAFF MEMOS. WE HAVE
TWO. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU,
MR. DOSS AND THANK COUNCILMEMBER
RINK FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD IN PARTNERSHIP . I WILL
SAY THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING
TODAY, THIS BUILDS ON WHAT WE
HAVE DONE ALREADY AND, AGAIN, TO
THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE HAVE TO
ENSURE THAT OUR PRACTICES ARE
CONSISTENT WITH NEW STATE LAW. I
HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE WILL DO
THAT AND REFLECT THE BEST SAFETY
AND SECURITY POLICIES. THE FACT
THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT
ARE STILL OPERATING THE ALPR IN
ITSELF SHOWS THAT WE HAVE THE
BEST AND SAFETY AND SECURITY
POLICIES IN PLACE BECAUSE ALL OF
THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAD TO
SHUT THERE'S OFTEN THAT IS
BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE
DONE AS A BODY AND AS A CITY
GOVERNMENT OVERALL IN
PARTNERSHIP. I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO ALIGN ALPR WITH
CCTV IN THIS SENSE AND THEN
ALSO, I HAVE BEEN CALLING THIS
THE ALPR BILL , IT IS REALLY THE
ALPR CCTV BILL BECAUSE I THINK
COUNCIL MEMBER RINK, IN ADDITION
TO THE CIVIL IMMIGRATION, THE
HEALTHCARE PIECES TO THE CCTV
LAW. I THINK THIS IS GOOD
GOVERNANCE AND IT IS CONSISTENT
AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE
CONSISTENT. AGAIN, THIS BUILDS
ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE
HAVE HAD. FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T
THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE THAT
IF A PERSON DID A PVR ON ALPR
DATA, IT IS AGGREGATED. THEY
COULD NEVER DO THAT. IF THERE
WAS A SUBPOENA, THEY WOULD BE
ABLE TO DO IT, GET THE DATA
PROPERLY BUT UNLESS IT WAS
SUBPOENAED, IT WOULD HAVE JUST
BEEN AGGREGATED. I JUST THROW
THAT OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO
MANY LITTLE PIECES THAT ARE NOT
UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THESE BILLS. I
CONTINUE TO GET EMAILS ON ALPR
AND THE PERSON WHO SENT ME THAT
DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE
AGGREGATED, IT WOULD BE USELESS,
EVENTUALLY. NOW, WE ARE BUILDING
ON IT AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO
BUILD ON IT. IN THE EVENT THAT
WE DID HAVE AN INTRUSION
SUBPOENA, TO CLOSE -- I SAY THIS
TOEFL PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, FULL COUNCIL AND THE
MAYOR. LET'S WORK TOGETHER. I
LIKE THAT PHRASE AND, YES, WE
CAN WORK ON THIS, INCLUDING ALPR
CCTV, THE COMMUNICATION THAT WE
HAD A 60 DAY PAUSE SO WE ARE
READY TO GO AS A CITY ON DAY 61.
WITH THAT, CLERK, PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO PASS CB
121179 .
>> COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ ?
>> YES.
>> I THINK WE LOST HER.
>> I AM HERE. I SAID AYE.
>> SORRY. THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMAN LIN?
>> YES.
>> RIVERA?
>> AYE.
>> SAKA?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES IN THE
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION OF CB
121179 PAST WILL BE SENT TO THE
MARCH 31 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RINK.
WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF
TODAY'S MEETING AGENDA. IS
THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE
ADJOURN? LOOKING, HEARING,
SEEING ALL OF THE ABOV