>>> GOOD MORNING. THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING WILL
COME TO ORDER. IT IS 9:33 A.M.
ON FEBRUARY 24th, 2026. I AM
ROBERT KETTLE, CHAIR OF THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WITH
THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> COUNCILMEMBER WAR IS?
>> HERE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> PRESENT.
>> CHAIR, THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS
PRESENT. I JUST NEED TO KNOW,
BEFORE I APPROVE THE AGENDA,
BECAUSE OF A CHANGE, WE HAVE TO
REVERSE THE ORDER OF THE FIRST
TWO ITEMS, SO THE STAGING BILL
WILL COME FIRST AND THEN THE
PERFORMANCE AND PROFESSIONALISM
STANDARDS BILL WILL COME SECOND.
WITH THAT NOTED, IF THERE IS NO
OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE
ADOPTED, HEARING AND SEEING NO
OBJECTION, THE AGENDA IS
ADOPTED. GOOD MORNING. THIS
MORNING, FOR CHAIR COMMENT, I AM
GOING TO SPEAK TO AN ISSUE THAT
HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS QUITE A BIT
LATELY. IT HAS FOUR PARTS. THE
FIRST POINT THAT IS RELATED TO
TECHNOLOGY, RELATED TO
SURVEILLANCE. THE FIRST POINT
IS, PUBLIC SAFETY IS AN AREA
WHERE PUBLIC DISCOURSE IS VERY
IMPORTANT, CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT,
IN FACT. THIS DISCOURSE CANNOT
BE MARKED BY DISINFORMATION OR
MISINFORMATION AND SADLY, THE
PUBLIC DISCOURSE ON PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE IN THE ERA OF
TECHNOLOGY, AUTOMATIC LICENSE
PLATE READERS, CCTV, HAS BEEN
IMPACTED BY POINTS, MISSING KEY
FACTS. JUST RECENTLY, I HEARD ON
THE RADIO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY
TALKING ABOUT THE INSIDER
THREAT, BASICALLY, HEY, AN
OFFICER COULD TAKE THIS
INFORMATION AND GIVE IT TO
I.C.E. OR FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT MORE GENERALLY, BUT
THERE WAS NO MENTION OF -- THAT
THERE IS ONLY ONE SWORN OFFICER
AT THE CENTER, THE CCTV IS SET
UP SO THAT THE OFFICERS DON'T
SEE IT AT ALL, IT GOES RIGHT TO
THE CRIME CENTER, SO THEY ARE
VERY WELL VETTED. THERE IS NO
MENTION OF THE COMPUTER AUDIT
PROTOCOLS. EVERYTHING IS
TRACKED, BUT THAT WAS NOT
MENTIONED. IT WAS JUST THAT ONE
ODD POINT, LIKE, HEY, YOU HAVE
AN NCL, ANY OFFICER CAN DO THIS.
THAT DOESN'T INFORM PUBLIC
DISCOURSE. NEWSPAPER ARTICLES
RELATED TO NPR, ALL OF THE FOCUS
ON FLOCK, FLOCK, FLOCK, AND DONE
IN A WAY BY SEATTLE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU THINK WE
HAVE THE FLOCK SYSTEM, BUT, WE
DON'T, AND THERE IS NO MENTION
OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT
WE HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH,
AND THAT WITH OUR LPR, WE HAVE
PUT IN SEATTLE VALUES AND WE PUT
IN SPECIFIC CONTRACT REQUIREMENT
PIECES DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES AND ALL
SEATTLE. THERE WAS MANY ARTICLES
-- AND SOME THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN
TO ME ON THIS -- THAT WERE NOT
PUBLISHED BY "THE SEATTLE
TIMES," LETTER TO THE EDITOR,
ONE ON CCTV I HAVE MY HANDS ON
RELATED TO A LPR WRITTEN BY A
MAN WHO LOST HIS BROTHER AND HE
WAS ADVOCATING USING ALPR TO
FIND MISSING PERSONS,
PARTICULARLY THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE
THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. HE IS ON
THIS, HE UNDERSTANDS. THAT IS
WHAT I HAVE IN MY HAND RIGHT NOW
AND SEPARATELY, THERE WAS A GOOD
ARTICLE YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT
ALPR AND IT STARTS OFF, FIERCE
OPPOSITION TO AUTOMATED LICENSE
PLATE READERS IS THREATENING TO
SHAPE HOW DEVICES ARE USED
INCLUDING IN WASHINGTON STATE.
IT'S NOT JUST FIERCE
OPPOSITION, I AM A SUPPORTER OF
ALPR AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED
TO HAVE THIS RESHAPING. I AM A
SUPPORTER OF ALPR CAMERAS AND
THE SYSTEM, RESHAPING HOW THE
DEVICES CAN BE USED AND BE A
MODEL. OUR SYSTEM COULD BE A
MODEL FOR THE STATE. SO, YES, I
BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A
RESHAPING OF THE SYSTEM BECAUSE
THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN FAILING
ACROSS THE VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS
IN OUR STATE, PARTICULARLY IN
THE PUGET SOUND REGION. SO, IT
NEEDS TO BE RESHAPED. I WELCOME
IT, BECAUSE OUR SYSTEM IS BEING
BROUGHT DOWN WITH THE MISTAKES
AND THE MISSTEPS OF OTHER
JURISDICTIONS. THE SECOND POINT
I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THE
PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM
IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO CREATING
A SAFE BASED IN OUR CITY. IT IS
THE CAPABILITY THAT ALLOWS TO
AFFECT A STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK
PLAN FOR A SAFER SEATTLE,
ESPECIALLY IN THE FOLLOWING
PILLARS. WE ARE SO SHORT ON SPD
STAFFING, CCTV, FOR EXAMPLE,
MAKES A DIFFERENCE. THE SECOND
PILLAR, FUNCTIONAL CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM. THIS IS ALLOWING
US TO SOLVE A CRIME AND ALLOWS
FOR BETTER PROSECUTION AND IT
ALSO HELPS FROM THAT PERSON
COMMITTING A CRIME RIGHT AFTER
THE FACT. GUN VIOLENCE, THAT'S
ANOTHER AREA. BUT I SEE, IN
TERMS OF PILLAR SIX, STATE
COLLABORATION, THERE IS MORE ON
THIS. ONE EXAMPLE I WANT TO GIVE
HERE -- AND I HAVE MANY
EXAMPLES, WHERE THE REAL-TIME
CRIME CENTERS COME THROUGH. YOU
KNOW, THERE WAS A HOMICIDE IN
JUNE OF 2025, REGARDING A WOMAN
AT SECOND AND JAMES, SHE WAS
SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
WENT OUT, REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER
STAFF WAS WORKING OVERTIME, AND
THEY PUT THE CAMERAS ON, BECAUSE
THAT IS HOW THEY DO IT, THEY ARE
TRIGGERED TO DO IT, THEY DON'T
SIT AROUND WATCHING THESE
CAMERAS, THEY ARE TRIGGERED BY
AN EVENT, 911 CALL, WOMAN SHOT
IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. AND
THEN, THEY FOUND THE PERSON AT
THIRD AND GAMES, IT WAS THE ONLY
CAMERA THAT CAUGHT THE MURDER
AND IT WAS UPLOADED AND PASSED.
THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES WERE
ABLE TO VIEW THAT VIDEO BEFORE
THEY INTERVIEWED THE SUSPECT
BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO
CAPTURE THE SUSPECT, WHICH MADE
THAT INTERVIEW MUCH BETTER. BUT,
HERE'S THE OTHER THING -- WHEN
RESPONDING, BECAUSE OF THAT
VIDEO, THEY KNEW WHO THEY WERE
LOOKING FOR. IT WASN'T LIKE,
"HEY, THERE WAS SOMEBODY, OF
WHICH MAY BE 10 MEANT TO BE A
PART OF THIS," SO YOU KNOW THE
ISSUES WITH POLICING IN TERMS OF
INDISCRIMINATE AND ALL OF THAT,
THAT IS ADDRESSING THAT PROBLEM.
SO, HERE, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE
WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO
INTERVIEW THE SUBJECT. IF
SOMEBODY IS SO CALLOUS TO SHOOT
A WOMAN IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD,
FIVE MINUTES LATER, THEY CAN DO
THE SAME THING. IT'S THE SAME
THING, THE 75-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WAS
HIT BY A BAT JUST RIGHT HERE, A
BLOCK FROM WHERE I AM SEATED,
THAT WAS FOUND WITHIN FIVE
MINUTES OF THE ACTION. IF HE CAN
DO THAT, IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE HE
CAN STRIKE ANOTHER WOMAN,
75-YEAR-OLD, SEVEN MINUTES
LATER. THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT
PIECES AND THERE IS A LOT OF
EXAMPLES FROM THE REAL-TIME
CRIME CENTER, BUT HERE IS THE
THING, WE DON'T REALLY SEE
ABOUT THIS, WE DON'T REALLY
HEAR ABOUT THIS. THE INCIDENT
WITH THE WOMAN WHO WAS STRUCK BY
THE BAT HERE AT THIRD AND JAMES,
THAT WAS IN THE PAPER, BUT ALL
OF THESE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT WE
HAVE, WHERE THIS SYSTEM IS
MAKING A DIFFERENCE AND
SUPPORTING OUR STRATEGIC
FRAMEWORK PLAN, IS NOT REALLY
BEING HEARD AND IT'S NOT REALLY
BEING PART OF THE PUBLIC
DISCOURSE AND THAT'S REALLY
UNFORTUNATE. THE THIRD POINT I
WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT
OLYMPIA'S, AS I NOTED IN THE
FIRST POINT, THEY HAVE A BILL,
6002, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO
RESPECT ALPR BECAUSE OF ITS
IMPORTANT EXAMPLES AND
JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE REGION.
LIKE I SAID, FLOCK SYSTEM, THESE
OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN
USING ALPR WRONG AND IT NEEDS TO
BE FIXED AND THE STATE DOES NEED
TO TAKE ACTION. I SUPPORT TAKING
ACTION. HE, IN WHAT THEY ARE
DOING IN OLYMPIA IS A 21 DAY
WINDOW, RETENTION WINDOW AND
ALSO THE PDR EXEMPTION, THE
PUBLIC DISCLOSURE REQUEST
EXEMPTION, THAT IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING, BECAUSE THAT
ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE ISSUES
PEOPLE HAVE HAD. WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING THESE ISSUES IN TERMS OF
PROTECTING VULNERABLE
COMMUNITIES, IN TERMS OF
CONTRACT PIECES, IN TERMS OF
AUDIT PROTOCOLS. ALL THESE
DIFFERENT PIECES THAT WE HAVE
PUT INTO PLACE, BUT YOU KNOW
WHAT? WITH A PDR EXEMPTION, THAT
IS A GAME CHANGER. THAT MAKES A
DIFFERENCE. THAT IS WHAT I CALL
SQUARING THE CIRCLE TO KEEP
SEATTLE SAFE, BUT ALSO, EVEN
FURTHER, PROTECT THE VULNERABLE
COMMUNITIES IN OUR MIDST. SO, I
WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE BILL
SPONSORS IN OLYMPIA, TO SEATTLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MEET THEM IN MY
OFFICE, HERE, AT CITY HALL. AND
ESCORT THEM TO THE REAL-TIME
CRIME CENTER, SO THEY CAN SEE IN
PERSON, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH
THIS SYSTEM. IN FACT, I WOULD
LIKE TO INVITE THE ENTIRE
SEATTLE DELEGATION, BECAUSE WE
NEED THE SEATTLE DELEGATION TO
STAND UP FOR SEATTLE, REPUBLIC
-- RESPECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY,
STAND UP FOR A PROVEN SYSTEM.
ALPR HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
NOVEMBER '24 AND PICK UP STEAM
IN '25. WE HAVE THESE LEGAL
PROTECTIONS IN THERE, TOO. ALL
THESE DIFFERENT PIECES HAVE NOT
HAPPENED. OF COURSE, I DON'T
WANT TO -- I WANT TO KNOCK ON
WOOD, AS TO NOT JINX MYSELF, BUT
THIS IS THE FACT, THESE SYSTEMS
HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR US, SO WE
NEED THE SEATTLE DELEGATION TO
STAND UP FOR SEATTLE AND I NEED
THEM TO COME HERE, TO GO TO THE
REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER. IT'S
CALLED DUE DILIGENCE. IT'S
CALLED DUE DILIGENCE. I HAVE A
LETTER FROM MOKAY LABOR IN OUR
HAND AND THEY SAID, "HEY, WE
WANT THE SYSTEM TO BE SHUT
DOWN." IN THE END, IT SAYS,
"LABOR COMMUNITY LOOKS FORWARD
TO BEING AN IMPORTANT PARTNER IN
THIS ISSUE." I WANT TO PARTNER
WITH THEM, BY USING THEM, LIKE I
SAID BEFORE, THE EXECUTIVE
SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY TO MY
OFFICE AND I WILL WALK WITH HER
ACROSS THE STREET AND GO TO THE
REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER. YOU
KNOW, I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE
POINTS IN THEIR LETTER AND ALL
THESE PIECES ARE OUT THERE BUT
THEY ARE NOT KNOWN BECAUSE THE
PUBLIC DISCOURSE ON THIS TOPIC
IS NOT GOOD. IT HAS BEEN FAILING
IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND IN ALL
TYPES OF MEDIA, NEWS MEDIA, AND
IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF WE
WALK THROUGH THESE PIECES, IF WE
GO TO THE REAL-TIME CRIME
CENTER, I RECOGNIZE NOT
EVERYBODY CAN GO, BUT THE LABOR
EXECUTIVE, SECRETARY-TREASURER,
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
PERSON TO GO PARTICULARLY
BECAUSE OF THIS LETTER THEY HAVE
WRITTEN, AND I WILL ESCORT THEM
THERE. I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT, AND THE SAME THING
FOR THE SEATTLE DELEGATION DOWN
IN OLYMPIA, AND PARTICULARLY THE
SPONSORS OF THE BILLS, BUT THE
LAST PIECE I WANT TO SAY AND
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND TO
CLOSE, I WISH TO SAY THAT WITH
RESPECT TO TECHNOLOGY ASSISTED
PILOT PROGRAM PROJECT -- THAT IS
THE TECHNICAL TERM, THAT IS THE
TERM WE USE FOR TERMS OF OUR
PROVISO IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET,
ALPR, CCTV IN THE REAL-TIME
CRIME CENTER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO
WORK WITH THE MAYOR AND HER
TEAM, AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS
WITH THE MAYOR, I WANT TO WORK
WITH THE MAYOR, I AM LOOKING FOR
WIN-WIN WITH THE MAYOR ON THIS
TOPIC SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT
SEATTLE, SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT
OUR VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES AND
EVERYBODY, ACTUALLY, AND I THINK
THAT WE CAN DO THAT. I'M NOT
AFRAID OF LOOKING AT ORDINANCES.
WE FIXED THE CHIEF OF POLICE
INVESTIGATION ORDINANCE, WE
FIXED THE NUISANCE CRIME
PROPERTY ORDINANCE, WE ARE ABOUT
TO DO THE SAME WITH THE
POSSESSION BILL. I MENTIONED
AUDIT PROTOCOLS, I DON'T KNOW,
MAYBE THERE IS MORE WE CAN DO IN
THE AREA, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE
THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE MAYOR.
OVERSIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE GREAT
OVERSIGHT, THIS IS PART OF THE
OVERSIGHT. WE HAVE
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS, HERE,
IN THIS AUDIENCE. I LOOK TO THEM
TO BE A PART OF THIS OVERSIGHT
AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. OIG,
FOR EXAMPLE, BUT ALSO, OPA, IF
NEEDED, I DON'T THINK THIS
WOULD HAPPEN, BUT ALSO, THE
COMMUNITY POLICE COMMISSION.
THESE ARE IMPORTANT. AND SO, I
WANTED TO RAISE THIS ISSUE TODAY
BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH
TALK, THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY
ARTICLES, SO MANY DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
MISLEADING, WHERE PUBLIC
DISCOURSE AND PUBLIC SAFETY HAS
NOT BEEN SERVED. AND SO, I
WANTED TO MAKE THIS POINT AS MY
CHAIR REPORT TODAY, AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF
IT. OKAY. NOW, THE OTHER SIDE,
PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL NOW OPEN
THE HYBRID PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD, PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD
RELATE TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S
AGENDA OR WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF
THE COMMITTEE. CLERK, HOW MANY
SPEAKERS ARE SIGNED UP FOR
TODAY?
>> ONE IN PERSON, AND ONE
REMOTE.
>> OKAY, UNDER OUR NEW RULES,
EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE TWO
MINUTES AND WE WILL START WITH
THE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. CAN YOU
PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT
INSTRUCTIONS?
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
WILL BE MODERATED IN THE
FOLLOWING MATTER, THE PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD IS UP TO 16
MINUTES, SPEAKERS WILL ALTERNATE
-- SORRY, SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A
TIME WHEN 10 SECONDS ARE LEFT IN
THE TIME, SPEAKERS' MICS WILL
BE MUTED IF THEY DO NOT AND
THEIR COMMENTS WITHIN THE
ALLOTTED TIME TO ALLOW US TO
CALL ON THE NEXT SPEAKER. THE
PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW OPEN, AND
WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE FIRST
SPEAKER ON THE LIST, KIM
BRISCUTO.
>> THANK YOU. KIM BRISCUTO,
SPEAKING FOR PROACTIVE
PERSISTENCE FOR PROGRESS, WE ARE
COMMUNITY MEMBERS DEDICATED TO
IMPROVING SEATTLE'S PUBLIC
SAFETY SYSTEMS, AND HAS BEEN
PARTICIPATING IN THAT REGARD FOR
THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. ONE THING
WE CAN ALL AGREE UPON IS THAT
WHEN A CRISIS ARISES,
SEATTLEITES DESERVE THE BEST AND
MOST APPROPRIATE FIRST RESPONSE.
WE CAN ALSO AGREE THAT C.A.R.E.,
A COEQUAL BRANCH OF OUR KA
PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM IS NOT ONLY
THE BEST TRAINED AND SUITED TO
RESPOND TO BEHAVIORAL AND MENTAL
HEALTH CRISES, BUT THAT, BY FAR,
IT IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL. AND
YET, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS
WE ARE IMPEDED BY DOING HIS JOB,
HERE ARE THREE EXAMPLES. THE
2005 CONTRACTOR LIMITS WERE CARE
TAKERS MAY RESPOND, IF YOU HAVE
A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS ON THE
SIDEWALK, THEY CAN RESPOND. IF
IT OCCURS IN SAFEWAY, THEY ARE
PROHIBITED. THEY MAY NOT RESPOND
IF THERE IS DRUG FOR
PARAPHERNALIA PRESENT OR IF A
PERSON IS SITTING IN A CAR.
WHILE C.A.R.E. IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE 911 CALL CENTER AND
DISPATCHING THE RIGHT RESPONDER
TO THE RIGHT SITUATION
PRESENTED, SPOCK IS ALLOWED AND
WITH INCREASING FREQUENCY,
ACTUALLY OVERRIDES THE DISPATCH
OF CARE RESPONDERS. RESEARCH ON
BEST PRACTICES IN NATIONAL
MODELS, FROM THE SAFER CITIES
NEWSLETTER, WHICH WE RECITED IN
OUR LETTER TO YOU, SHOWS THE
SINGLE DISPATCH AS A GOLD
STANDARD FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE
C.A.R.E. OUR SYSTEM CLINGS TO
DUAL DISTRESS CONTRARY TO FISCAL
PRUDENCE. WE ASK THAT YOU REOPEN
THE RECENT CONTRACT TO ELIMINATE
THESE IMPEDIMENTS. IF YOU CANNOT
OR WILL NOT REOPEN THE CONTRACT,
WE ASK THAT YOU BEGIN
NEGOTIATIONS ON THE NEW CONTRACT
IMMEDIATELY, NOT ONLY BECAUSE
NEGOTIATING AN EXPIRED CONTRACT
PUTS THE CITY AT A BARGAINING
DISADVANTAGE, BUT BECAUSE THESE
IMPEDIMENTS NEED TO BE URGENTLY
ADDRESSED. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND OUR
FIRST REMOTE SPEAKER IS HOWARD
GAIL. PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX.
>> GOOD MORNING. HOWARD GAIL.
CHAIR KETTLE, I SPOKE WITH YOU
SIX MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE ACTIONS
SEATTLE CAN THE LEGALLY AND
REASONABLY REQUIRE OUR POLICE TO
DO TO PROTECT SEATTLEITES FROM
THE FEDERAL VIOLENCE, THE
KILLINGS, AND THE TEARING APART
OF FAMILIES WE HAVE WITNESSED IN
OTHER CITIES. THESE PROPOSED
ACTIONS BECAME PART OF THE 36
DISTRICT DEMOCRATS RESOLUTION
SHORTLY AFTER SPEAKING WITH YOU,
YET SIX MONTHS AFTER YOU
INDICATED YOUR SUPPORT FOR THESE
ACTIONS, YOU HAVE REFUSED TO
PROPOSE OR EVEN PUBLICLY DISCUSS
THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF THESE
ITEMS. ONLY TWO OF THE 36
SUGGESTED ACTIONS ARE NOW BEING
PROPOSED IN A RATHER INCOMPLETE
AND HALFHEARTED FASHION IN
TODAY'S COUNSEL BILL 38213.
IGNORED FOR SIX MONTHS OF THE
IMPORTANT PROPOSALS, FOR
OFFICERS TO ESTABLISH AND
DOCUMENT MAKING THE RESULTING
VIDEO PUBLIC, THE BASIS FOR ANY
FEDERAL DETENTION OR ARREST FOR
SPD OFFICERS TO INTERVENE WHEN
PROPER LAW ENFORCEMENT
CREDENTIALS ARE NOT PROVIDED,
FOR SPD OFFICERS TO AID PRIVATE
PROPERTY OWNERS IN PREVENTING
WARRANTLESS ACCESS AND FOR SPD
OFFICERS TO PRIORITIZE
PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM FOURTH
AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS OVER THE
PROTECTION OF PROPERTY OR
VIOLENTLY SUPPRESSING
DEMONSTRATORS TRYING TO PROTECT
OTHER PEOPLE'S CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHTS. OTHER CITIES HAVE PUT IN
PLACE THESE MEASURES WITH BOSTON
MAYOR WAS SHOW WILL STATING THAT
"CALLING 911 IS AN APPROPRIATE
RESPONSE TO WARRANTLESS ENTRY TO
PRIVATE HOMES AND BUSINESSES AND
THAT THE BOSTON POLICE
DEPARTMENT SHALL EMPLOY
DE-ESCALATION TACTICS IN
RESPONSE" AND THAT BOSTON WILL
DENY ACCESS TO CITY BUILDINGS
AND PROPERTY FOR PURPOSES OTHER
THAN THOSE INTENDED. MINNEAPOLIS
POLICE CHIEF BRIAN O'HARA HAS
WARNED RANK-AND-FILE OFFICERS
THAT IF THEY WITNESS FEDERAL
AGENCIES' EXCESSIVE FORCE OF
CIVILIANS AND FILTER INTERVENE,
THEY COULD BE FIRED, SO WHY THE
FAILURE AFTER SIX MONTHS TO
PUBLICLY ENGAGE WITH MEASURES
THAT COULD PROTECT SEATTLEITES
FROM THOSE SUFFERED IN
MINNEAPOLIS? WHY DON'T WE FOCUS
ON LEGISLATED AND ACTIONS WHICH
IF THEY HAD BEEN EFFECTIVE IN
MINNESOTA WOULD HAVE DONE
NOTHING TO PREVENT ANY OF THOSE
ORDERS FROM HAPPENING.
>> THANK YOU, MR. GAIL. I HAD A
MEETING YESTERDAY WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY EVANS AND I TOLD CITY
ATTORNEY EVANS AND I AM GOING TO
SAY IT AGAIN HERE THAT I TAKE MY
LEGAL ADVICE FROM TWO PEOPLE.
THE CITY ATTORNEY EVANS, AND HER
TEAM AND ALSO OUR IN-HOUSE
COUNSEL HERE IN THE LEGISLATIVE
DEPARTMENT. I THINK IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT TO DO SO. TODAY'S
FEDERAL INFO LAW ENFORCEMENT
BILLS ARE TWO AND THREE OF ABOUT
A HALF-DOZEN THAT ARE IN THE
PIPELINE SO THERE ARE A LOT OF
THINGS THAT ARE IN PLAY, SO,
THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, WE CAN GO
WITH OUR REGULAR ORDER SO WE
WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ORDER
OF BUSINESS, WILL THE CLERK
PLEASE READ ITEM ONE INTO THE
RECORD?
>> RESOLUTION 32193, A
RESOLUTION RELATING TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
PROFESSIONALISM AND STANDARDS,
REAFFIRMING SEATTLE VALUES
RELATED TO PROFESSIONAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT CONDUCT, CONDEMNING
RECENT ACTIONS OF FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENTS, ARTICULATING
EXPECTATIONS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
CONDUCT WITHIN SEATTLE, AND
DIRECTING SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT OFFICERS TO DOCUMENT
AND REPORT VIOLATIONS OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALISM
STANDARDS.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK. MR.
JOHNSON, PLEASE INTRODUCE
YOURSELF JUST FOR THE RECORD,
AND THEN GIVE YOUR PERFORMANCE.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR KETTLE,
FOR THE RECORD, TAMASO JOHNSON,
COUNSEL STAFF, TALKING ABOUT THE
LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALISM
STANDARDS RESOLUTION. GOING TO
JUST PROVIDE A BRIEF SUMMARY,
THE RESOLUTION IS RELATIVELY
STRAIGHTFORWARD, SO I'M GOING
TO READ IT OUT IN -- NOT IN
TOTAL BUT JUST TO PROVIDE A
SUMMARY, SO THIS HAS THE DESIRE
TO HAVE ANY NONLAW ENFORCEMENT
LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES IN
SEATTLE ALIGNED WITH ANY
POLICIES THAT GOVERN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. STANDARDS MENTIONED
IN THE RESOLUTION INCLUDE THE
USE OF FACE COVERINGS, PHYSICAL
IDENTIFICATION, RENDERING
MEDICAL AID AND PROCEDURES AND
STANDARDS FOR STOPS AND
DETENTIONS. THE RESOLUTION
FURTHER AFFIRMS EXISTING SPD
POLICIES AND DIRECTIVES UNDER
HOW SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
OFFICERS SHOULD HANDLE
SITUATIONS RELATED TO
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT,
REPORTED FEDERAL AGENTS, AND
FOREIGN NATIONALS. THE
RESOLUTION ALSO DENOUNCES RECENT
FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
ACTIVITIES IN MINNESOTA,
MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA, AND THE
RESULTING LOSS OF LIFE. I'M
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON, AND I
AM THE SPONSOR OF THIS BILL.
THIS BILL IS A COMBINATION OF A
NUMBER OF PIECES, AND I KNOW
THERE IS A COMPANION BILL THAT
IS GOING THROUGH THE SENATE AND
GOING THROUGH OLYMPIA RIGHT NOW
THAT TAKES A DIFFERENT TACT.
THIS BILL IS A RESOLUTION, IT IS
BASED ON CONVERSATIONS AGAIN
WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL IN TERMS
OF LEGAL RISK AND THE LIKE, BUT
WHAT THIS BILL REALLY IS, IT IS
ABOUT SHOWING LEADERSHIP AND IT
IS ABOUT SHOWING THAT WE HAVE
STANDARDS, HERE IN SEATTLE.
STILL I SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT HAS STANDARDS WITH
MASKING, WITH IDENTIFICATION,
AND TO DO THOSE THINGS, AND TO
ENGAGE, AND TO CONFIRM, AND TO
DOCUMENT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN
RELATION TO FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND BASICALLY, THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN
BROUGHT UP IN COMMITTEE BEFORE,
IT IS ABOUT SETTING THE
STANDARD, SETTING THE
EXPECTATIONS, AND THIS IS
LEADERSHIP, THIS IS SEATTLE
SHOWING UP BY SETTING THAT BAR
IN THE EXPECTATION IS THAT ALL
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT
JUST FEDERAL, BUT ALSO STATE,
COUNTY, AND OTHER LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS, THAT IS THE
INTRODUCTION TO THIS. AND I
WOULD NOTE THAT THERE ARE PIECES
IN THIS BILL THAT COME FROM MANY
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND INCLUDE
THE 36th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT,
AS WELL. COLLEAGUES, IS THERE
ANY COLMAN'S ON THIS? I KNOW
THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN
COMMITTEE BEFORE IN DIFFERENT
WAYS, THE DESIRE TODAY IS TO
BASICALLY SET THIS LEADERSHIP
EXAMPLE FORWARD AND TO BE A
COMPANION TO THE OTHER BILLS WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT. VICE CHAIR,
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, NONE.
COLLEAGUES -- OKAY. IN THE
INTEREST OF TIME, BECAUSE WE DO
HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA TO
INCLUDE WITH THE ALTERNATE
RESPONSE, I MOVED THAT THE
COMMITTEE ADOPT RESOLUTION
31293, IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ. IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED
TO ACCEPT ADOPTION OF THE
RESOLUTION. ARE THERE ANY FINAL
COMMENTS ON THE RESOLUTION
BEFORE A VOTE? AGAIN, I ASK AND
INVITE THE PUBLIC TO READ THIS
RESOLUTION AND TO WALK THROUGH
THE DIFFERENT PIECES, AND TO SEE
WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND ALSO SEE
IT AS PART OF A BROADER EFFORT
WITH BILLS COMING FROM
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA -- WE HAVE
TWO TODAY -- THERE ARE OTHERS
THAT ARE BEING WORKED BY, FOR
EXAMPLE, OUR COLLEAGUE RELATED
TO TRANSPORTATION CENTERS, A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BILLS THAT
ARE COMING THROUGH, SO WITH
THAT, WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON THE RESOLUTION?
>> SORRY.
>> NEW HANDOUT.
>> AND I'M NOT EVEN THERE, AND
I SEE HER. OKAY!
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ. [ LAUGHTER
]
>> I SEE YOU!
>> YOU SEE ME! REALLY, JUST A
CHAIR, WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LEADERSHIP IN PUTTING THIS
RESOLUTION TOGETHER. THERE ARE
MANY THINGS HERE AND I REALLY
WANT TO CALL OUT THE
DOCUMENTATION PIECE, BECAUSE
THAT IS REALLY CRITICAL AND
IMPORTANT, AS WELL. SO, I KNOW
THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN IN
CONVERSATIONS -- LET ME JUST
TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY WE HAVE
ALL BEEN VERY GRAPPLING, VERY
CONCERNED WITH THE ACTIONS OF
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ACROSS
THIS COUNTRY. AND WE ARE DOING
WHAT WE CAN FROM A LEGAL
STANDPOINT TO TRY TO LEND OUR
SUPPORT TO OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR
RESIDENTS, OUR IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES AND RESIDENTS IN
THIS CITY. SO, I SEE THIS AS ONE
OF MANY OTHER THINGS WE HAVE
DONE, AS A BODY, TO PROVIDE
SUPPORT TO OUR RESIDENTS, SO I
REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS
PARTICULAR BILL. I WAS HAPPY TO
SEE MY BILL PASS, LAST WEEK. AND
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHERS
BECAUSE WE ALL CARE SO DEEPLY,
SO THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND I'M
LOOKING FORWARD TO PASSING THIS
OUT OF COMMITTEE TODAY.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA -- AS I AM SHUFFLING
THROUGH ALL MY PAPERS, HERE. SO,
GLAD TO BE NOTIFIED ABOUT THAT.
OKAY, ANY OTHERS? COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ?
>> NO, I'M GOOD, BUDDY. LET'S
GO. LET'S DO IT.
>> OKAY, WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL ON THE RESOLUTION
TO ADOPT 31293?
>> COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LIN?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> AYE.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR, NONE OPPOSED.
>> THIS WILL BE SENT TO THE
MARCH 3rd CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
OKAY, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR
SECOND ITEM OF BUSINESS, WILL
THE CLERK PLEASE READ ITEM
NUMBER TWO INTO THE RECORD?
>> COUNSEL BILL 121164, AN
ORDINANCE RELATING TO CIVIL
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT,
PROHIBITING CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT STAGING ON ALL REAL
PROPERTY THAT IS CITY OWNED AND
CONTROLLED AND ADDING A NEW
CHAPTER 14.125 TO THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> OKAY, I WAS GOING TO SAY, MR.
DAWES, PLEASE JOIN US AT THE
TABLE, BUT YOU ARE HERE, SO
STILL, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF
FOR THE RECORD.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, GREG DOSS,
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF.
>> LET ME START WITH YOUR
INTRODUCTION AND THEN WE HAVE A
TECHNICAL FIX AND WE WILL DO
THAT AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK
AND DO THAT, OKAY?
>> GREG DOSS, COUNCIL CENTRAL
STAFF HERE TO DISCUSS COUNCIL
012-1164 WHICH CONCERNS CIVIL
IMMIGRATION STAGING. I WILL NOTE
THAT A STAFF REPORT HAS BEEN
DISTRIBUTED TO MEMBERS AND IS
AVAILABLE ONLINE REGISTRAR. THIS
LEGISLATION WOULD PREVENT THE
USE OF CITY OWNED AND CONTROLLED
PROPERTIES FOR CIVIL ENFORCEMENT
PURPOSES. CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES. ACTIONS
INCLUDING ASSEMBLING,
MOBILIZING, DEPLOYING PERSONNEL,
VEHICLES, OR EQUIPMENT FOR CIVIL
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
OPERATIONS, OR FOR SURVEILLANCE
OR LOGISTICAL COORDINATION FOR
THOSE OPERATIONS. THERE IS, AS
THE CHAIR MENTIONED, AN
AMENDMENT THAT IS A TECHNICAL
AMENDMENT THAT WOULD CLARIFY THE
BILL AND ALIGN IT WITH THESE
SPONSORS' INTENT, HAPPY TO
EXPLAIN THAT, NOW.
>> OKAY, IN ORDER TO BRING
FORWARD THE AMENDMENT, I DO NEED
TO MOVE, SO I WILL MOVE TO
RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF COUNCIL
BILL 121164 IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> SECOND. WE ARE JUST HAVING A
LITTLE WAR, HERE.
>> IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED,
TWICE, HERE, TODAY. AND WITH
THAT MOVED AND SECONDED, I WILL
NOW MOVE TO AMEND COUNCIL BILL
121164 AS PRESENTED UNDER
AMENDMENT ONE --
>> CAN YOU RESTATE THE AMENDMENT
AGAIN, PLEASE?
>> YEAH, THANK YOU. AMENDMENT
ONE WOULD RESTRICT THE
PROHIBITION OF CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT TO STAGING
ACTIVITIES ONLY, THE BILL IS
CLEAR THAT IT IS TARGETED AT
STAGING ACTIVITIES WITH THE
HEADERS AND THE CHAPTER SECTION
TITLES. JUST STAFF LEFT OUT THE
WORD "STAGING" IN ONE PLACE,
WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS THERE.
>> THANK YOU. AGAIN, THIS IS A
TECHNICAL FIX. IS MOVED AND
SECONDED TO AMEND THE BILL AS
PRESENTED.
>> POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR, IT
HAS BEEN MOVED, IT HAS NOT YET
BEEN SECONDED, AND THEREFORE I
DO SECOND IT, THERE WAS A
PENDING MOTION. NOW, I SECOND
IT.
>> OKAY. I WAS WAITING ON
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, I THINK.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO HOLD
BACK! [ LAUGHTER ]
>> SO, THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR,
KEEPING US ON THE RIGHT SIDE
WITH OUR CLERKS, THE AMENDMENT
IS MOVED AND SECONDED AGAIN TO
MOVE THE BILL AS AMENDED,
CENTRAL STAFF HAS ALREADY BEEN
SPOKEN TO. ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS ON AMENDMENT ONE?
HEARING AND SEEING NONE. WILL
THE CURRENT CLERK PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON THE ADOPTION OF
AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE?
>> COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LIN?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR, FIVE IN FAVOR, NONE
OPPOSED.
>> AMENDMENT ONE IS ADOPTED. NOW
THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR STAGING
BILL, WITH THAT, I ASK MY
COLLEAGUES, VICE CHAIR, OF
COURSE, THE COURTESY GOES TO
YOU, ALWAYS, FIRST. ANYTHING YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO, RELATED
TO OUR STAGING BILL?
>> NO, I THINK IT IS A TERRIFIC
BILL, NEEDED NOW MORE THAN EVER,
AND I THINK -- THANK THE SPONSOR
FOR TREMENDOUS LEADERSHIP IN
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. SO,
LET'S GO.
>> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. A PLUS ONE
TO MY COLLEAGUE, VICE CHAIR
SAKA. THIS IS AGAIN, LIKE THE
RESOLUTION, THIS ORDINANCE IS
ANOTHER THING WE CAN DO TO
REALLY SAFEGUARD OUR RESIDENTS
IN THE CITY AND I LOOK FORWARD
TO ITS PASSAGE. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LEADERSHIP AND BRINGING
THIS STAGING BILL FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA. COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. AS YOU
KNOW, I DON'T SIT ON THIS
COMMITTEE AND I CONTINUE TO
THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME, I
APPRECIATE THAT. I'M EXCITED
ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE, I WANT TO
ASK A COUPLE QUICK CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS, IF I MAY. AS I LOOK
AT THE ORDINANCE AND WE TALK
ABOUT CITY OWNED OR CONTROLLED,
I WANT TO ASK, WHAT HAPPENS TO A
PROPERTY, IF THE CITY OWNS THE
PROPERTY, BUT THE PROPERTY IS
LEASED?
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION --
>> WOULD NOT BE COVERED UNDER
THE LANGUAGE -- OH, YEAH.
>> HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTION.
SO, THE TERM "CITY OWNED AND
CONTROLLED" IS THE -- IT IS THE
STANDARD THAT WILL DEFINE WHICH
PROPERTIES ARE CONSIDERED BY
THIS LEGISLATION, AND WHERE THE
CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT EXERCISE
ENFORCEMENT. AND THAT TERM, AS
IT IMPLIES, THE CITY MUST OWN A
PROPERTY AND MUST ALSO CONTROL
THAT PROPERTY. THE TERM
"CONTROL" IS NOT A TERM IN THE
BILL THAT IS DEFINED, AND SO IT
WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR
COUNCILMEMBERS TO WORK WITH THE
CITY LAW DEPARTMENT THROUGH
CENTRAL STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT
ANY DEPARTMENT THEY WERE CURIOUS
ABOUT, WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD
BE COVERED COULD BE IDENTIFIED
AS COVERED, OR NOT, BY THE LAW
DEPARTMENT. AND ALSO, IF THE
COUNCIL HAS INTEREST IN ENSURING
THAT SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE
NOT COVERED, ARE, IT MAY BE
POSSIBLE TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE TO
THE BILL THAT WOULD FURTHER
DEFINE THE TERM, "CONTROL." SO,
HERE, THINKING ABOUT PROPERTIES
WHERE THE CITY OWNS THE
PROPERTY, BUT LEASES IT TO ME BE
A NONPROFIT SERVICE PROVIDER
THAT SERVES TO ADVANCE THE
INTEREST OF THE CITY, SAY,
HOUSING, OR HEALTHCARE, IF SUCH
A PROPERTY IS NOT CONTROLLED IN
A WAY IN THE CONTRACT THAT
PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM SIGNING,
THAT MAY BE AN AREA WHERE
FURTHER DEFINING CONTROL MIGHT
ALLOW THE CITY TO SIGN. THAT IS
SOMETHING WE COULD WORK ON WITH
THE LAW DEPARTMENT. THE ONLY
THING THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED,
FOR SURE, IS SITUATIONS WHERE
THE PROPERTY IS LEASED BY THE
CITY, BUT THE OWNER IS A THIRD
PARTY. IN THAT CASE, IT COULD
NOT MEET THE STANDARD. THERE
WOULD HAVE TO BE A NEW STANDARD
BEYOND CITY-OWNED AND CITY
CONTROLLED.
>> THANK YOU, AND A FOLLOW-UP ON
THAT -- OH, BECAUSE THE CITY
DOES HAVE SEVERAL LONG-TERM
LEASES IN PLAY AT LOCATIONS THAT
THE PUBLIC MAY NOT
DIFFERENTIATE, OR THE PUBLIC MAY
NOT EXPERIENCE AS BEING PART OF
CITY PROPERTY, AND SO, IS IT
CORRECT THAT, AS WRITTEN, THOSE
PROPERTIES WOULD NOT BE COVERED
UNDER THIS ORDINANCE?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. FAS HAS DONE
AN SURVEY OF PROPERTIES WHERE
THEY LEASE THE SPACE BUT ARE NOT
THE OWNER AND THERE ARE ABOUT 47
SUCH PROPERTIES, SOME OF THE
EXAMPLES OF CITY SERVICES THAT
ARE PROVIDED THERE, THE
SOUTHEAST OR CENTRAL AREA
CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTERS ARE
BOTH LEASED SPACES THAT ARE NOT
CITY-OWNED. THE SPACES THAT THE
COMMUNITY CAN GET THERE RANGE
FROM PAYING BILLS, TO SEEKING
RELIEF FROM UTILITY BILLS, OR
EVEN LEGAL ASSISTANCE. SO, A
WIDE VARIETY OF MUNICIPAL
SERVICES ARE OFFERED AT THOSE
SITES , BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE
LEASED BY THE CITY AND THE CITY
DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY, THOSE
PARTICULAR SITES WOULD NOT BE
COVERED BY THIS BILL.
>> THANK YOU. AND MY
UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, IS THE
LANGUAGE IN THIS BILL IS, "OWNED
AND CONTROLLED," SO IF WE WERE
TO MOVE TO "OWNED, OR" WITH THIS
FIX THIS CHALLENGE OR DO WE NEED
TO SPECIFY LEASING?
>> I THINK IF THE CITY MOVED
FROM "OWNED, AND CONTROLLED" TO
"OWNED, OR CONTROLLED," IT MIGHT
CAPTURE THOSE PLACES WHERE THE
CITY IS A LANDLORD, AND CAN,
SOME WAY OR ANOTHER, IF NOT
EXCEEDED THE CONTRACTUAL RIGHT
TO THE PROPERTY, ASSERT CONTROL.
I AM NOT SURE THAT WOULD CAPTURE
PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY LEASES
FROM THIRD PARTIES.
>> GOT IT, SO I AM HEARING A
NEED TO SPECIFY THAT IN THE
INSTANCE WHERE WE ARE A LISI AND
IF WE WERE TO SWITCH FROM "AND,"
TO "OR," THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A
CLEARER OR MORE BROAD
INTERPRETATION BEHIND THE INTENT
OF THE LANGUAGE, IS THAT
CORRECT?
>> YES AND IT WOULD ALSO BE
ADVISABLE TO HAVE CENTRAL STAFF
WORK WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT TO
SEE HOW THAT TERM, "CONTROL,"
MIGHT BE CLARIFIED, TO MAKE SURE
IT CAPTURES MUNICIPAL SERVICES
THAT ARE ON PROPERTY -- ON CITY
PROPERTY, BUT PROVIDED BY A
THIRD-PARTY PRINT
>> THANK YOU, AND A QUICK
COMMENT ABOUT THIS, AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSES. I
THINK THIS IS ESPECIALLY
IMPORTANT, GIVEN THAT THE PUBLIC
DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE WELL
WHILE THEY ARE ON A CITY OWNED
OR CITY LEASED PROPERTY WHEN
THEY ARE COMING TO ACCESS
SERVICES AND I ACTUALLY THINK
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SITES I
CAN THINK OF THAT ARE LOCATIONS
WHERE VULNERABLE RESIDENTS
FREQUENT OR WILL VISIT TO ACCESS
THE CITY SERVICES THAT, AS
WRITTEN, WE MAY BE LEAVING OUT
UNINTENTIONALLY, SO I APPRECIATE
YOUR RESPONSES TO THOSE
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
FOSTER. YES, WE ALWAYS WELCOME
-- AND ACTUALLY, I GO TO THE
REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, THIS
PREVIOUS BILL WAS SIMPLE, WE
HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO IT, THERE
ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF
THIS BILL THAT WE NEED TO WALK
THROUGH, SO I WELCOME YOUR
QUESTIONS AND THIS DISCOURSE AND
WE WILL HAVE OUR FOLLOW-UP
MEETING IN TWO WEEKS.
COUNCILMEMBER LIN?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. JUST TO
FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMEMBER
FOSTER'S QUESTIONS, AND PERHAPS
THIS IS MORE OF JUST A STATEMENT
THAT I AGREE, THAT YOU KNOW,
PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE USING FOR
SOME IMPORTANT CITY SERVICE,
SUCH AS THE COMMUNITY CENTER, OR
EVEN IF WE DON'T CONTROL IT, I
BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT
THAT USE AND I AM CONCERNED THAT
EVEN UNDER A LEASE, OFTEN TIMES,
LEASES HAVE PERMITTED USES,
WHETHER WE ARE THE LANDLORD OR
THE LESSEE AND I AM SURE THAT
IMMIGRATION STAGING IS PROBABLY
NOT ONE OF THOSE SPELLED OUT,
PERMITTED USES, SO EVEN ALLOWING
IT, COULD BE A LEASE VIOLATION,
WHETHER WE ARE THE LANDLORD OR
THE LESSEE, SO I WOULD HATE TO
RUN AFOUL OF SOME LEASE, YOU
KNOW, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T -- AS
EXPLICIT AS WE COULD BE TO
PROHIBIT THIS STAGING. BUT, JUST
WANTED TO THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD, NOT ONLY
BECAUSE ABOUT THE CONCERN OF
IMMIGRATION STAGING, BUT ALSO,
AGAIN, THE NEED TO PROTECT
SPACES THAT ARE BEING USED FOR
CENTRAL SERVICES, FOR THOSE
USES, AND NOT HAVE IMPACTS DUE
TO THE AWFUL FEDERAL STAGING WE
HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY. SO, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LIN.
ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ,
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> NO, I'M GOOD. LET'S GO,
BUDDY.
>> OKAY, WELL, WE ARE GOING TO
HOLD, COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ. BUT,
I DO WANT TO NOTE, AS CHAIR,
THAT I THINK THIS BILL IS VERY
IMPORTANT. I ALSO THINK IT IS
VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW THAT WE
ARE WORKING TOGETHER, AS A TEAM.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MAYOR AND
HER TEAM, AND ALSO AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR CITY
ATTORNEY EVANS. AND I THINK
WALKING THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT
PIECES AND TO RAISE DIFFERENT
QUESTIONS IS GOOD. AND ALSO, IT
SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT CITY-OWNED AND
CONTROLLED RIGHT NOW AND THIS
DOES NOT INCLUDE -- I THINK THE
MAYOR MAY HAVE SAID THIS, BUT TO
REITERATE -- PUBLIC RIGHT OF
WAYS WHICH ARE USED FOR
PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE
PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT. AND I
RECOGNIZE OTHERS PUBLIC COMMENTS
THAT WILL SAY, FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT CAN WORK THROUGHOUT
OUR FEDERAL COUNTRY. AND SO, THE
STREETS, AND THE SIDEWALKS, AND
THE LIKE, THEY CAN DO THAT.
THERE IS SUPREMACY, A LOT OF
DIFFERENT LEGAL PIECES THAT GO
INTO THAT, BUT WE DO NEED TO
STAND UP FOR OUR CITY INTEREST
AND WE HAVE THE MEANS TO DO THIS
AND THIS BILL IS ONE WAY TO DO
THAT AND THE INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
ACTION IS A WAY TO DO THAT, BUT
WE SHOULD DO OUR HOMEWORK, DO
OUR DUE DILIGENCE, LOOK AT THESE
QUESTIONS AND ALSO, WE SHOULD
LOOK AT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
OPERATIONS AND HOW THEY ARE
CONDUCTED. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF
RISK, IT IS LIKE, WHAT PROPERTY
IS REALLY GOING TO BE USED FOR
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT?
PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE JBLM,
WE HAVE BASES ON THE PENINSULA,
WE HAVE EVERY NAVAL BASE, YOU
KNOW, THIS HAS TO BE PART OF THE
DISCUSSION, TOO, AND IN TERMS OF
THAT LEGAL RISK TRADE-OFF. BUT,
WE DO NEED TO SEND A POINT, A
MESSAGE, REGARDING OUR
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES AND
SAYING, "HEY, WE ARE LOOKING OUT
FOR YOUR INTEREST, WE ARE DOING
THESE PIECES, EVEN WHEN OUR
CONSTITUTION, YOU KNOW, GIVES
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A CERTAIN
ABILITY TO ACT." BUT, THAT SAID,
WE SHOULD NOT JUST FOLLOW THAT
-- THIS GOES TO MR. GALES POINT
-- WE SHOULD LOOK TO PUT THESE
PIECES IN PLACE, SO I THINK THIS
BILL IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I'M
HAPPY TO WORK WITH MAYOR WILSON
AND HER TEAM AND CITY ATTORNEY
EVANS AND HER TEAM, AS WELL,
PARTICULARLY CITY ATTORNEY EVANS
BECAUSE THE LEGAL RISK POINTS
WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT. MR. DOS?
>> MR. CHAIR? I'M SORRY, MR.
CHAIR, I SHOULD HAVE HAD MY HAND
UP, I APOLOGIZE. CAN I SAY
SOMETHING QUICKLY?
>> YES, COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, GO
AHEAD.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I
APOLOGIZE. I WILL BE VERY QUICK.
JUST FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, THE
POLICY DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE ON
CAMERA, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE
TRANSPARENT, BUT THE VIEWING
PUBLIC, PARTICULARLY WITH THE
DIRECTORS REPORT ABOUT CAMERAS
AND THAT WE DON'T USE FLOCK AND
GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION
OUT THERE, BUT SECOND OF ALL,
THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE MARCH WITH
OTHER PIECES OF LEGISLATION WE
ARE CONSIDERING TO KEEP I.C.E.
OUT. SO, THIS ISN'T THE END OF
IT. AND OF COURSE, WE WOULD LIKE
TO DO MORE. WE HAVE BEEN
WATCHING THE NATIONAL TRENDS AND
WHAT THE STATES ARE DOING, WHAT
PARTICULAR CITIES ARE DOING, AND
I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU,
CHAIR, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST ONE
PIECE IN A PROGRESSIVE MARCH
FORWARD, HOW WE PROTECT
EVERYBODY FROM THIS
ADMINISTRATION, AND THE ACTUAL
HUNTING OF PEOPLE BASED ON SKIN
COLOR. IT'S NOT GETTING BIAS.
SO, WHEN WE GET SCREAMED AT, AT
PUBLIC COMMENT, PEOPLE THINK WE
DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T CARE, OR
WE DON'T READ THE NEWS, WE DO,
BUT WE ALSO TO ACT WITHIN THE
CONFINES OF THE CONSTITUTION,
FEDERAL LAW, STATE LAW, THE 10th
AMENDMENT, ALL OF THOSE THINGS
THAT GO INTO IT. SO, AGAIN,
THANK YOU, CHAIR KETTLE, OR
WALKING US THROUGH THIS AND
AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND
YOU, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A
PROGRESSIVE MARCH FORWARD. WE
ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO
THESE THINGS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND I WAS
GOING TO RAISE MY HAND, AS WELL.
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, YOU AND I
ARE -- WELL, YOU ARE A FRIEND
AND I SUPER ALWAYS APPRECIATE
YOUR COMMENTS, AND I AGREE. I
WAS GOING TO SAY A SIMILAR THING
RELATED TO THE LAW. YOU KNOW,
FOLKS DON'T KNOW THAT WHEN WE,
AS LEGISLATORS, ARE
CONTEMPLATING A LAW, THERE IS A
LOT OF LEGAL CONVERSATION THAT
IS NOT PRIVY TO THE PUBLIC, BUT
IT IS IMPORTANT, AS WE CRAFT
THESE THINGS, AND SOMETIMES,
WHILE THE PUBLIC WOULD WANT US
TO CRAFT IT DIFFERENTLY -- AND I
UNDERSTAND WHY, AND I AGREE IN
MANY INSTANCES, ACTUALLY -- WE
ACTUALLY ARE BOUND BY THE LAW,
THE CONSTITUTION, THE SUPREMACY
CLAUSE, AND ALSO CASE LAW,
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN -- AND I
READILY SUPPORT BRINGING CAUSES
OF ACTION, AS WE HAVE DONE,
AGAINST WHAT I FIND IN WHAT I AM
GOING TO CALL, ME, PERSONALLY,
WHAT I THINK TO BE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTIONS OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION. YOU KNOW, BUT,
WHAT I THINK IS IN TRUE LAW AND
WE HAVE CASE LAW THAT ALSO
GUIDES WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO OR
NOT, BECAUSE AS THE CASE LAW IS
GOING THROUGH THE COURTS, WE GET
MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WE
ARE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH,
OR NOT, IF WE TAKE CERTAIN
ACTIONS. SO, I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW
THAT BECAUSE OF THE VERY THING
YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT,
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, WHICH IS
THE -- YOU KNOW, WE WANT FOLKS
TO KNOW THAT WE DO CARE VERY
MUCH, AND WHEN I SAY, "WE ARE
GRAPPLING WITH THESE THINGS," I
MEAN THAT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO
EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO BE
SUPPORTIVE, AND WE HAVE THESE
CHALLENGES BASED ON, WHAT IS THE
LAW IN THIS COUNTRY? AND SO,
INCLUDING THAT CASE LAW,
ESPECIALLY MORE RECENTLY, AS WE
ARE SUING THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, OR THEY ARE SUING
US, BASED ON THE ACTIONS WE ARE
TAKING IN RESPONSE TO THESE
EGREGIOUS ACTIONS BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. SO, IF -- IT BEARS
MENTIONING AGAIN THAT WE ARE
WAITING HOW WE BRING POLICY
ITEMS FORWARD, AND ALSO WHAT IS
CONTAINED THEREIN, THAT
SOMETIMES, WE MIGHT WANT TO GO
BROADER THAN WHAT IS CONTAINED
THEREIN, AND WE ARE WAITING, ARE
WE GOING TO GET CHALLENGED? AND
WHERE WILL THAT LAND? AND WILL
WE EVEN BE ABLE TO DEFEND THOSE
THINGS? SO, ALL OF THAT IS TRUE,
AND FOLKS SHOULD VERY MUCH KNOW
-- AS YOU SAID, AGAIN,
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ -- THAT WE
ALL CARE. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE
ALL ALIGNED. AND I HAVE SAID
THIS MANY TIMES, DATING BACK TO
JANUARY OF 2025, WE ALL CARE
VERY MUCH. WE MAY HAVE
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, IN MANY
OTHER AREAS, BUT WE ALL CARRIED
-- CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT WHAT
IS HAPPENING AND I, FOR ONE,
FEEL PROUD TO LIVE IN A CITY
THAT CARES ABOUT ITS RESIDENTS.
ALL OF THIS IS RESIDENCE, NOT
JUST SOME OF THEM. SO, THANK
YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED
TO MAKE ONE -- MR. DOSS?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I JUST
WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT TO
SUPPORT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING
EARLIER, WORKING IN CONJUNCTION
WITH THE EXECUTIVE. ONE THING
THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR
THE PUBLIC TO KNOW IS THAT ON
JANUARY 29th, MAYOR KATIE WILSON
ISSUED A DIRECTIVE THAT
PROHIBITS THE USE OF CITY-OWNED
AND CONTROLLED PROPERTIES FOR
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
PURPOSES. SINCE THAT TIME, THE
CITY ATTORNEY AND THE FINANCE
AND ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES HAVE
BEEN WORKING TO IDENTIFY
PROPERTIES THAT COULD RECEIVE
SIGNAGE. THEY HAVE PRIORITIZED
PROPERTIES THAT ARE MOST LIKELY
CANDIDATES FOR STAGING
PROPERTIES, LIKE VACANT LOTS AND
PARKING LOTS, AND ARE EXPECTED
THIS WEEK TO START SIGNING THOSE
PROPERTIES, THEY BELIEVE THEY
WILL SIGN ABOUT 656 PROPERTIES
WITH METAL AND PLASTIC SIGNS,
WHICH YOU COULD THINK ABOUT AS A
PHASE ONE, THE MOST OBVIOUS
PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE BOTH
CITY-OWNED AND CONTROLLED AND
ALSO POTENTIALS FOR STAGING. AND
ALSO, AS THIS LEGISLATION MOVES
THROUGH THE COUNCIL REVIEW
PROCESS, AS THE STANDARD IS
EXAMINED AND THE TYPE OF
PROPERTIES MAY BE EXPANDED, THE
MAYOR COULD WORK TO START
SIGNING OTHER PROPERTIES. BUT, I
JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT TO
THE PUBLIC AND TO DO ALL THAT
THERE IS ALREADY AN EFFORT
UNDERWAY TO START SIGNING THOSE
PROPERTIES THAT ARE THE MOST
LIKELY CANDIDATES FOR STAGING
AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS ON
TOP OF THAT, WITH FAS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DOSS.
COUNCILMEMBER LIN?
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY, I DID SEE
ONE OF THOSE SIGNS LAST NIGHT AT
JEFFERSON PARK, SO I WAS GLAD TO
SEE IT.
>> YES, WE ARE STEPPING OUT. AND
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP,
MR. DOSS. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THAT UP, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO DO
SO. IT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS, YOU
KNOW, THE WORK THAT IS GOING ON
THROUGHOUT ALL BRANCHES OF CITY
GOVERNMENT. AND I JUST WANTED TO
NOTE, AS WE ARE ABOUT TO
TRANSITION, TODAY IS THE FOURTH
ANNIVERSARY OF RUSSIA INVADING
UKRAINE AND AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS
LIVED IN RUSSIA, WHO HAS LIVED
IN THE GOVERNMENT THAT TAKES
ACTION AGAINST ITS OWN CITIZENS,
MUCH LIKE IN, YOU KNOW,
DIFFERENT CITIES AROUND OUR
COUNTRY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE
THOSE PARALLELS AND UNDERSTAND
THOSE PARALLELS, AND TO TAKE
ACTION, AND TO STAND UP FOR OUR
CONSTITUTION, STAND UP FOR OUR
COUNTRY, WITH RESPECT TO THOSE
ACTIONS THAT ARE NOT IN KEEPING
WITH OUR DEMOCRATIC TRADITIONS.
AND SO, THINK ABOUT THOSE, AS
THIS DISCUSSION IS ONGOING. SO,
WITH THAT, AND TO BRING OUR NEXT
GUEST UP, IF THERE IS NO
OBJECTION, COUNCIL BILL 121164
WILL BE POSTPONED TO THE MARCH
10th PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE
MEETING. HEARING AND SEEING NO
OBJECTION, THE BILL IS POSTPONED
TO THE MARCH 10th MEETING. OKAY,
ALL RIGHT. NOW, WE ARE TO ITEM
THREE, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR
THIRD ITEM OF BUSINESS, WILL THE
CLERK PLEASE READ ITEM THREE
INTO THE RECORD?
>> ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE OVERVIEW
IN SEATTLE'S PUBLIC SAFETY
DEPARTMENT.
>> THANK YOU. PLEASE, EVERYONE,
COME TO INCLUDE -- WE HAVE OUR
EXECUTIVE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR
PUBLIC SAFETY, ALISON HOLCOMB.
WELCOME. THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME
TO COMMITTEE IN THIS ROLE. I
WILL BE TURNING IT OVER TO YOU.
YOU HAVE A -- WITH THE THREE
DEPARTMENTS BEING REPRESENTED,
FOR THE PUBLIC, EACH OF THE
PREVIOUS YEARS, WE HAVE HAD
BRIEFINGS FROM OUR THREE CHIEFS.
WE WOULD HAVE THE CHIEFS, AND
PRESENT ON THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, GENERALLY, OR THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT, GENERALLY, OR
THE C.A.R.E. DEPARTMENT. THIS
YEAR, TO CHANGE THINGS UP, TO
GIVE IT FOCUS, WE WANTED THE
THREE DEPARTMENTS AND THE CHIEFS
TO SPEAK TO ALTERNATIVE
RESPONSE. ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE
IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE POINTS
RAISED IN PUBLIC COMMENT BUT
ALSO WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON OUR
STREETS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
THINGS I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT
A FUNCTIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM, WE ALSO NEED A
FUNCTIONING PUBLIC SAFETY
SYSTEM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO
HAVE THE THREE DEPARTMENTS
REPRESENTED AND SPEAK TO WHERE
THEY KIND OF WORK TOGETHER, IN
THE AREA OF ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE
AND WHAT LESSONS NEED TO BE
LEARNED AND SEE WHAT ACTION WE
CAN TAKE WITH THE EXECUTIVE TO
FURTHER WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO
WITH ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE. OKAY.
WITH THAT, A LITTLE INTRODUCTION
TO ALLOW EVERYONE TO GET SEATED.
MS. HOLCOMB, OVER TO YOU, PLEASE
INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE
RECORD, THEN THE TEAM, AND IT IS
OVER TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR KETTLE, VICE
CHAIR SAKA, FELLOW COMMITTEE
MEMBERS -- WHEREAS, WHEN, AND
RIVERA, AND COUNCILMEMBER
FOSTER, MY NAME IS ALISON
HOLCOMB AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE
EDITOR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE
OFFICE OF SEATTLE MAYOR KATIE B.
WILSON. IN BEHALF OF SEATTLE'S
THREE PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONDERS,
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY
TO BRIEF YOU ON THE DEPARTMENTS
ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE TEAMS AND
HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER. MAYOR
WILSON SHARES YOUR VISION THAT
PEOPLE WHO CALL 911 IN SEATTLE
WILL RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM THE
TEAM WITH THE RIGHT TRAINING AND
PROFICIENCIES TO MATCH THE NEED
AS EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY
AS POSSIBLE. YOU WILL HEAR FROM
THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE FOLLOWING
ORDER -- SEATTLE FIRE
DEPARTMENT, THE COMMUNITY
-ASSISTED RESPONSE AND
ENGAGEMENT, OR C.A.R.E.
DEPARTMENT, AND THE SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT. WITH THAT, I
WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF
HAROLD SCOGGINS.
>> GOOD MORNING. HOPEFULLY, YOU
CAN HEAR ME OKAY? HAROLD
SCOGGINS, SEATTLE FIRE CHIEF,
SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. MY GOAL
TODAY IS TO KICK THIS OFF AND I
WILL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN, WHO
IS THE ARCHITECT OF OUR PROGRAM,
BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I
DIDN'T SPEND A COUPLE MINUTES
JUST TALKING ABOUT THE AMAZING
WORK THAT OUR FOLKS DO IN THIS
PROGRAM. THE MISSION OF THE
SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS TO
SAVE LIVES AND PROTECT PROPERTY
AND THE ENVIRONMENT BUT THE
SECOND SENTENCE OF OUR MISSION
STATEMENT IS REALLY WHAT IS
IMPORTANT, IT IS TO RESPOND
IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE COMMUNITY
NEEDS US AND THAT IS WHAT THIS
PROGRAM ALLOWS US TO DO. OUR
INTEGRATED HEALTH PROGRAM HAS
BEEN EVOLVING OVER THE LAST 15
YEARS, AS YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT,
BUT IT REALLY KICKED OFF IN
2019, WITH OUR FIRST DEPLOYMENT
OF OUR HEALTHONE PROGRAM IN
NOVEMBER 2019. WE HAVE LEARNED A
LOT, GROWN A LOT OVER THE LAST
SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AND WE REALLY
HAVE BEEN PROVED, BUT WE HAVE
LEARNED FROM OUR PEERS AROUND
THE COUNTRY, AND SOME OF YOU MAY
HAVE HEARD ME TELL THIS STORY
BEFORE, BUT IT WAS IN 2017 OR
'18, IT WAS A COLD FEBRUARY
DAY, AND WE INVITED ABOUT 30
FIRE DEPARTMENTS FROM AROUND THE
COUNTRY TO COME TO SEATTLE, SO
WE COULD LEARN WHAT THEY WERE
DOING WITH ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE.
AND IN THAT ONE DAY CONFERENCE,
DEPARTMENTS SHOWED UP, FROM
CANADA, TO TEXAS, TO CALIFORNIA,
ALL TO SHARE WHAT WITH THEY WERE
DOING IN THIS SPACE. THIS IS
WHAT WE BUILT OUR PROGRAM FROM.
SO, I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER
TO JOHN SO YOU CAN HEAR A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT OUR INTEGRATED HEALTH
PROGRAM. AND THEN, WHEN JOHN
WRAPS UP, I WILL MAKE A COUPLE
OF CLOSING COMMENTS ON WHAT WE
ARE DOING IN OUR PROGRAM. SO,
JOHN, YOU GOT IT.
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF, THANK YOU,
CHAIR KETTLE, MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE, AND THANK YOU TO
ALISON, AS WELL, FOR INTRODUCING
US. IT BRIEFLY AND FIRMLY
HIGH-LEVEL WITH THE HEALTH
INTEGRATED PROGRAM WITH FIRE, I
AM HOPING THAT WHAT I AM GOING
TO DO, AND I AM SURE MY
COLLEAGUES IN THE ENERGY
DEPARTMENT ARE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT AREAS OF COMMONALITY,
CLIENTS' RESPONSES ANY OF OUR
DEPARTMENTS COULD DO BUT ALSO
AREAS OF UNIQUENESS AND
DIFFERENTIATIONS OF SKILL SETS,
THAT ONE PARTICULAR TEAM OR
PROGRAM MAY HAVE A PARTICULAR
SKILL SET. SO, OUR MISSION IS UP
HERE ON THE SCREEN AND WE
ACTUALLY HAVE A DUAL MANDATE.
SO, OUR FIRST MISSION IS TO
SERVE THE SEATTLE FIRE
DEPARTMENT, TO REALLY TAKE THE
LOAD OFF AND ALLEVIATE THE
BURDEN OF SFD OPERATIONS AND IN
OUR NEXT MANDATE IS TO HELP THE
CLIENTS WE SERVE, THE PEOPLE OF
THE CITY OF SEATTLE IN A VERY
BROAD FASHION. THESE TWO
MANDATES USUALLY, BUT NOT
ALWAYS, RUN TOGETHER. AT THE
HIGH LEVEL, I ALWAYS HAVE TO
START BY DESCRIBING OUR PROGRAM
AS A PARTNERSHIP AND OUR PRIMARY
PARTNER IS THE SEATTLE HUMAN
SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AND OUR
PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM GOES BACK
QUITE A WAYS, ALL THE WAY BACK
TO THE EXISTENCE OF THIS
PROGRAM. WE STARTED TRAINING
MEMBERS ON REPORTING ADULTS TO
ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES IN THE
STATE OF WASHINGTON, SO THIS
REALLY IS OUR CORE PROGRAM, WE
COULD NOT EXIST IN OUR CURRENT
PROGRAM WITHOUT THEM. AS CHIEF
SCOGGINS MENTIONED, THE GENESIS
OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM STARTS IN
2019 WHEN WE LAUNCHED THE FIRST
HEALTHONE PROGRAM AND THIS TIME
I CHOSE A GRADUAL AND STEADY
EXPANSION OVER THE YEARS, IN
TERMS OF THE UNITS WE ARE
SERVING, DEPLOYING OUT TO THE
COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE
CAPABILITIES AND THE SKILL SETS
THAT WE HAVE. THE CHIEF ASKED ME
TO SHOW, AS WELL, JUST AT THE
HIGH LEVEL, KIND OF WHERE MIH
SITS WITHIN THE SEATTLE FIRE
DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS A
CONDENSED CHART, BUT BASICALLY,
WHEN MIH WAS STARTED, IT WAS A
PARENT THAT DID NOT FIT CLEANLY
INTO ANY OF OUR EXISTING LINES
OF SERVICE. WE ARE NOT FIRE
SUPPRESSION OR EMS, WE ARE NOT
FIRE PREVENTION OR RESOURCE
MANAGEMENT, SO MIH STILL SITS
WITHIN THE OFFICE OF THE FIRE
CHIEF BUT WE SPAN AND TOUCH
PRETTY MUCH ALL THE OTHER LINES
OF SERVICE IN THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT. THE WAY MIH
SPECIFICALLY IS ORGANIZED IS, AS
I MENTIONED, THIS PARTNERSHIP
WITH HST. WE HAD DUAL LEADERSHIP
BETWEEN FIRE AND HSD AND
BROADLY, WE DIVIDE OUR SERVICE
IN TWO VERY BROAD ARMS,
RESPONSE, THE RED TRUCKS YOU SEE
OUT IN THE FIELD AND THE
COMMUNITY DOING GENERAL
HEALTHONE RESPONSE, OVERDOSE
RESPONSE, AND THE OTHER SIDE OF
IT IS OUR CLIENT SERVICES, THAT
IS EPS REPORTING TO THE STATE,
OUR CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICE, OUR
ADVANCED PRACTICE PROVIDER
SERVICE. ALL UNDER THE MIH
UMBRELLA. AT THE HIGH LEVEL, IN
TERMS OF KIND OF OUR OPERATIONS
OF DEPLOYMENT, RIGHT NOW, WE
HAVE ABOUT 11 HSD CASE MANAGERS,
AND THAT IS GROWING. WE ARE IN
THE HIRING PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
AND WE HAVE GOT A POOL OF ABOUT
32 TRAINED FIREFIGHTERS THAT
WILL EXPAND TO ALMOST 50 BY NEXT
YEAR, AND I PARTICULARLY WANT TO
NOTE THIS, OUR DAILY STAFFING IS
ABOUT SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS AND
FOUR CASE MANAGERS, BUT BECAUSE
WE HAVE THAT MANY TRAINED
FIREFIGHTERS, WHAT THAT MEANS IS
THE KNOWLEDGE, AND SKILLS, AND
TRAINING WE PROVIDED THEM TO
WORK ON THE HEALTHONE UNITS SORT
OF TRAVELS THE OSMOSIS
THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT, SO THOSE
FIREFIGHTERS WHO ARE NOT
STAFFING HELP STAFF ENGINES AND
LETTER TRUCKS IN AID CARS AND
BRING THOSE SKILLS OUT TO THE
COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY IN TIMES
WHEN HEALTHONE IS NOT IN
SERVICE. TYPICAL DEPLOYMENT FOR
US IS TWO FIREFIGHTERS AND A
CASE MANAGER, WE CAN DROP DOWN
TO ONE, IF NEED BE. RIGHT NOW,
WE ARE PRIMARILY CENTRALLY
LOCATED, PIONEER SQUARE,
BELLTOWN, AND ALSO STATION 10
WHICH IS IN PIONEER SQUARE.
LATER THIS YEAR, WE ARE GOING TO
FURTHER EXPAND SERVICE, WE HAVE
A LOCATION DOWN IN THE SODO
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN IN THE
SECOND QUARTER, FIRE STATION 31
OPENS UP IN THE NORTHGATE
NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL BE PUTTING
IT THERE IN TIME, AS WELL. WE GO
ALL OVER THE CITY. WE WILL GO TO
ANY LOCATION IN THE CITY OF
SEATTLE THAT IS SAFE AND
APPROPRIATE FOR US TO GO TO. WE
HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO
RESTRICTIONS. WE ARE VERY, VERY
LOW BARRIER IN THAT RESPECT. YOU
KNOW, ROADS, ALLEYS, APARTMENTS,
HOMES, WE WILL GO PRETTY MUCH
ANYWHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
GOES. AS OF ABOUT A MONTH AGO,
WE NOW OPERATE SEVEN DAYS PER
WEEK, UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 7:00
P.M. AT NIGHT. AND WE ARE GOING
OUT CODE YELLOW WHICH IS OUR
PARLIAMENT FOR NO LIGHTS OR
SIRENS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR
OVERDOSE UNIT WHICH CAN GO
LIGHTS AND SIRENS, IF NEED BE.
LIKE OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE CARE
DEPARTMENT, WE DO HAVE AN A.D.A.
ACCESSIBLE WHEELCHAIR WHICH GETS
BROAD USE FOR OUR CLIENTS WITH
MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS AND ALL OF
OUR UNITS HAVE EMS EQUIPMENT ON
THEM. WE HAVE THREE WAYS WE
DEPLOY OUR UNITS, THE FIRST IS
DIRECT 911 DISPATCH, SO WE HAVE
CENTER PROTOCOLS AT OUR 911
CENTER. AT THE FIRE ALARM
CENTER, THEY CAN SEND OUT
HEALTHONE BY ITSELF HER
BEHAVIORAL AND HEALTH CRISIS,
SUICIDALITY. THAT IS NOT THE
MAIN WAY WE GO OUT, THOUGH. WE
HAVE FOUND OVER TIME THE
ABSOLUTE GOLD STANDARD FOR US IS
HAVING EYES ON, A FIREFIGHTER,
TO LOOK AT THE CLIENT OR PATIENT
AND SAY, "THIS IS A GOOD MATCH
FOR HEALTH ONE." AS A RESULT,
MOST OF OUR OPERATIONS COME FROM
LIVE REQUESTS. LADDER FOUR GETS
ON THE RADIO AND SAYS, HEY,
YOUNG WOMEN HERE LOOKING FOR
SOME SHELTER, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF
OUR PURVIEW, CAN YOU COME HELP?
THAT WAS ABOUT AN HOUR AGO,
HEALTH ONE GETS ON THE RADIO AND
SAYS, YES, WE ARE COMING. OR
THEY CAN SELF DISPATCH WHICH
WILL BE EITHER TO AN OVERDOSE OR
TO THE APPROXIMATELY 3500
FIREFIGHTER REFERRALS WE GET
ELECTRONICALLY EVERY YEAR. ONE
OF THE MAIN TOOLS THAT WE HAVE
IN OUR TOOLBOX -- AND AGAIN, I
THINK THIS IS REALLY SHARED WITH
CSO'S, WITH C.A.R.E., WITH
CRISIS RESPONSE, IS THAT WE HAVE
TIME. IF YOU ARE ON AN SFD CAR,
YOU ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT
YOUR WATCH, LOOKING AT THE
CLOCK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CLEAR
THAT SCENE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE
BECAUSE THE NEXT RUN IS COMING,
YOU ARE DOING 20, 24 RUNS IN A
SHIFT. HEALTH ONE CAN HIT THE
BRAKES AND SAY, WE ARE GOING TO
TAKE OUR TIME, WE ARE GOING TO
PAUSE. LAST WEEK, WE GOT A
REFERRAL FOR OUR PARTNERS IN
C.A.R.E. FOR AN ACUTELY SUICIDAL
INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY SPENT
ABOUT FOUR HOURS WITH HIM, AN
ENGINE CAN'T DO THAT, A TRUCK
CAN'T DO THAT, THEY CAN'T GET
THEMSELVES OUT OF SERVICE FOR
THAT LONG, WE CAN DO THAT AND WE
USE THAT ALL THE TIME, SO THAT
IS YOUR 42 MINUTE AVERAGE ON
SCENE TIME. WE OUR CAPACITY TO
BUY OUR LEADERSHIP AN
ENVIRONMENT OF DIRECTOR TO DO
ANY ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORT WE
DEEM NECESSARY, SO WE CAN TAKE
YOU TO THE GROCERY STORE, TO A
PHARMACY, TO A SHELTER, TO A
CRISIS CENTER, TO A HOSPITAL,
ANYWHERE THAT WE THINK IS
CLINICALLY APPROPRIATE, AND YOU
CAN SEE HERE, LAST YEAR, WE DID
MORE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVE
TRANSPORTS THAN WE DID HOSPITAL
TRANSPORTS, SO WE HAVE A VERY
STRONG EMPHASIS ON BOTH ED
DIVERSION, AND ALSO ON LONG
HANDOFFS ON THE SCENE. SO, VERY
BRIEFLY, AT THE HIGH LEVEL, THIS
IS JUST KIND OF -- THERE IS NO
SUCH THING AS A TYPICAL HEALTH
ONE RUN, THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT
BUT THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, WE
GET A CALL FROM OPERATIONS,
ADULT MALE FOUND OUT IN A
PARKING LOT IN ANDERSON, LOOKING
FOR SHELTER. IN NEED OF ADULT
USE SERVICES. VERY COMMON. THIS
IS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, HEALTH ONE
GOES OUT WITH SOME SNACKS,
NARCAN KIT, DRY CLOTHES. HE
WANTED TO GO TO THE DHHS OFFICE,
WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, SO WE
TAKE HIM THERE. WE START AN
ONGOING CARE RELATIONSHIP WITH
HIM, START TRYING TO FIND HIM,
IDENTIFY A NUMBER OF SERIOUS
MEDICAL ISSUES HE HAD AND OVER
ABOUT THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO,
WE ARE REPEATEDLY TRYING TO FIND
HIM, HE IS HAVING MULTIPLE
OVERDOSES, WE ARE TRYING TO FIND
HIM AFTER THOSE OVERDOSES.
FINALLY, WE WORK WITH LEHIGH TO
FIND A LOCATION FOR HIM, AT THIS
POINT HE IS PICKED UP BY THE
POLICE AND DETAINED IN JAIL IN
SOUTH COUNTY AND THROUGH VERY,
VERY INTENSE WORK, OUR CASE
MANAGERS ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A
RELEASE FROM JAIL DIRECTLY TO
HARBORVIEW. HE HAD THE MEDICAL
EXAMINATION HE NEEDS TO HAVE AND
WAS DISCHARGED FROM HARBORVIEW
TO A LEHIGH HOME VILLAGE. A
COUPLE MORE MONTHS OF WORK AND
HE IS DISCHARGED FROM THERE OR
SHOULD I SAY MOVES OUT OF HIS
TINY HOME IN LEHIGH INTO A
SUPPORTIVE AND HOUSING BUILDING.
THEY DON'T ALL GO THIS WELL,
BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A SUCCESS
STORY AND I PUT THE DATES ON
HERE TO INDICATE JUST KIND OF
HOW LONG THIS ENGAGEMENT TAKES
ON AVERAGE. VERY QUICKLY, AS A
NEW CAPABILITY, WE CANNOT DO
SEVERE WEATHER RESPONSE. THIS
HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN A PRETTY MILD
WINTER SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T HAD
TO PULL THIS LETTER MORE THAN
ABOUT ONCE, BUT WE CAN. BECAUSE
OUR UNITS ARE STACKED WITH
FIREFIGHTERS, WE CAN FLIP THE
SWITCH AND MOVE INTO 24/7
OPERATIONS, WHICH IS VERY EASY
FOR US TO DO, EVERYTHING IS
BUILT OUT, WE HAVE THE WHOLE
ARCHITECTURE FOR THAT SYSTEM, SO
WE HAVE A SNOWSTORM, A SEVERE
HEAT WAVE, AND WE CAN MOVE INTO
DOING SEVERE WEATHER RESPONSE,
WHICH PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON THE
UNSHELTERED POPULATION, DOING
WELFARE CHECKS, SAFETY CHECKS ON
THEM AND GETTING THEM TO SEVERE
WEATHER SHELTERS. WE ALSO HAVE
ACCESS TO SFD'S MULTIPLE
AMBULANCE BUS WHICH WE HAVE USED
IN THE PAST WITH GREAT EFFECT. I
MENTIONED OUR ONGOING
RELATIONSHIP WITH HSD, THAT
REALLY WAS KIND OF THE CORE OF
WHAT WE DO. WE ARE A CASE
MANAGEMENT SERVICE BEYOND JUST A
RESPONSE SERVICE. SO, WE HAVE
THIS LONGITUDINAL RELATIONSHIP
WITH OUR CLIENTS, AND WE -- YOU
KNOW, EVERYONE THAT WE SEE, WE
HAVE THE ASSUMPTION THE ARE
GOING TO ENROLL IN SOME LEVEL OF
CASE MANAGEMENT. AS OF LAST
YEAR, WE NOW DO WHAT WE CALL
COMPLEX CASE MANAGEMENT WHICH IS
THE REALLY, REALLY INTRACTABLE
CASES. AND IT WORKS. I MEAN,
THIS IS -- THE CLIENTS THAT WE
SEE, THEY ARE VERY COMP LOCATED.
ONE OF THE UNOFFICIAL MANTRAS OF
OUR PROGRAM IS, "IF IT WAS EASY,
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW."
SO, WHEN WE SEE IN THE
COMMUNITY, PEOPLE, WE ASSUME
THEY HAVE COMPLEX CASES WITH
OVERLAPPING SOCIAL, BEHAVIORAL,
AND MEDICAL NEEDS THAT TAKE
MULTIPLE RESPONSES AND MULTIPLE
ENGAGEMENTS TO SEE. AND AGAIN,
WE SEE A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION
IN 911 CALL VOLUME OF FOLKS WHO
ARE IN OUR ENROLLMENT PROGRAM,
BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE MEASURE
GETS THE AFTER IN TERMS OF 911
UTILIZATION. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A
PARTICULAR FOCUS IN OUR PROGRAM
AND VERY DELIBERATELY SORT OF ON
UNDERSERVED, UNDER RESOURCED,
AND VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. YOU
KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR
THE PROGRAM AND SORT OF THE VERY
WIDE PURVIEW THAT THE FIRE CHIEF
HAS GIVEN US WE CAN SELECTIVELY
CHOOSE THE MOST VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS OUT THERE, AND I
PARTICULARLY WANT TO NOTE, HERE,
WE SEE A LOT OF WHAT I WOULD
CALL UNSEEN CLIENTS. I THINK
FOLKS ARE PRETTY ACCUSTOMED TO
TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE
CLIENTELE THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IT
IN THE LITTLE SAIGON AREA OR THE
THIRD AVENUE AREA, BUT WE SEE A
HUGE NUMBER OF CLIENTS WHO ARE
IN EXTREMELY DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES
WHO ARE INVISIBLE, THEY ARE
INSIDE, BUT THEY ARE OLDER
ADULTS, EXPERIENCING MULTIPLE
FALLS, CHRONIC DISEASE, THEY ARE
AN APPROPRIATE REFERRAL TO
WASHINGTON ADULT SERVICES AND
OFTEN EMS IS THE ONLY PEOPLE
SEEING THESE CLIENTS, SO WE
REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THEM IN
ADDITION TO THE FOLKS OUTSIDE ON
THE STREET COME OUTSIDE. THIS IS
JUST KIND OF AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS
THE HIGH END OF THE SPECTRUM, A
CLIENT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
FOR A YEAR OR TWO NOW,
34-YEAR-OLD FEMALE WORKING IN
SUPPORTIVE HOUSING DOWN IN
DISTRICT TWO AND SHE VERY SADLY
HAS END-STAGE RENAL DISEASE, BUT
DOESN'T ENGAGE WITH DIALYSIS
AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF HER
ONGOING BEHAVIORAL ISSUES AND
MATTHEW'S DISORDER. THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT, EMS, HAVE SEEN HER
WELL OVER 200 TIMES IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS AND AMR HAS BEEN
CALLED FOR HER IN THE FOURTH
QUARTER OF 2025 ABOUT 150 TIMES,
SO EXTREMELY COMPLEX AND
EXTREMELY CHALLENGING AND WELL
SERVED. A LOT OF SERVICES
WRAPPING AROUND HER. AND WE ARE
THERE TO TRY TO HELP HER WITH
WHAT THEY NEED, AND SORT OF
MANAGE THAT SERVICE OUTREACH.
VERY BRIEFLY, IN 2023, DUE TO
MAYOR HARRELL'S EXECUTIVE
ORDER, WE STARTED UP A HOMELESS
RESPONSE UNIT. THAT HAS BEEN
RUNNING NOW, FOR WE ARE COMING
UP ON THREE YEARS, NOW. WE HAVE
TWO ARMS, OVERDOSE RESPONSE AND
OVERTONES OF FOLLOW-UP. OVERDOSE
RESPONSE IS ALSO CITYWIDE WITH
WITH A PARTICULAR FOCUS ON THE
HIGHEST AREAS OF OVERDOSE,
PARTICULARLY IN THE DOWNTOWN
AREA AND ADJACENT AREAS. AND IN
THE END OF 2024, WE STARTED THE
FIRST EMT BUPRENORPHINE PROGRAM,
IT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, WE
HAVE GIVEN IT NOW -- THIS SLIDE
IS OUT OF DATE FROM LAST WEEK
WHEN I PUT IT TOGETHER -- 140
SOMETHING ADMINISTRATIONS AND
THIS IS VERY CLOSELY MONITORED
BY OUR HEALTH ONE PROGRAM.
ALMOST THE MAJORITY OR ALMOST
ALL OF THESE CLIENTS, 80 OR SO
PERCENT WE ARE KEEPING THEM OUT
OF THE ED, TAKING THEM TO MORE
APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS AFTER
THEIR OVERDOSE EVENT. ALMOST
1000 FENTANYL OVERDOSES LAST
YEAR. THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS
HEALTH 98, THAT IS OUR OVERDOSE
FOLLOW-UP UNIT, AND WE ARE NOW
DOING A LOT OF KIND OF
PROACTIVE, ONGOING CASE
MANAGEMENT, LIKE WELL, ALL
RIGHT, AFTER THE OVERDOSE, MAYBE
AFTER WE GIVE YOU BUPRENORPHINE
WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET YOU
ENGAGED IN SERVICES. WE HAVE
REALLY DEVELOPED WHAT I AM
CALLING AN ECOSYSTEM OF CARE AND
PARTICULARLY RIGHT NOW WITH OUR
COLLEAGUES AT DESC, WE NOW HAVE
A DAILY COORDINATION CALL WITH
THEM, WE HAVE A VERY, VERY CLOSE
RELATIONSHIP, WE ARE DOING A LOT
OF ON-THE-FLY CLIENT
COORDINATION THERE AND SEEING
VERY GOOD EFFECT. WE HAVE
STUDIED THIS WITH SOME OF OUR
ACADEMIC PARTNERS AND FOLKS WHO
SEE EMS IN THE FIELD FOR AN
OVERDOSE AND GET OUR TREATMENT
HAVE A STATISTICALLY MUCH, MUCH
HIGHER LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT. VERY
BRIEFLY, WE DID A POP-UP IN
LITTLE SAIGON, INDIVIDUAL COMES
UP TO OUR TEAM, ENGAGES WITH
THEM, EXPRESSES INTEREST IN
GETTING ON MEDICATION, WE
TRANSFER HIM TO THE ORCA CENTER,
HE GETS A THREE DAY LONG ACTING
INJECTABLE BUPRENORPHINE WHICH
IS NOW EMERGING AS THE GOLD
STANDARD NATIONALLY FOR THIS
TREATMENT. WE THEN SUBSEQUENTLY
REFERRED HIM OVER TO RIDER WHICH
DEALS WITH YOUTH AND YOUNG
ADULTS THAT HAVE SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDERS. THEY ACCEPT HIM AS A
CLIENT, WE WORK WITH HIM
JOINTLY, AND THEN WE HEARD --
THIS IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO --
HAS NOW GOTTEN SIX CONSECUTIVE
MONTHS OF SUPPLICATE, HE IS
HOUSED, AND HE IS EMPLOYED WITH
A GROUP PARTNER AND DOING REALLY
WELL. SO AGAIN, IT IS A BIT OF A
CHERRY PICKED ANECDOTE, BUT I
THINK IT IS AN INDICATION OF
THIS INTENSIVE, HANDS-ON
OUTREACH, HOW IT REALLY WORKS.
JUST TO WRAP UP, I WANT TO
QUICKLY TALK ABOUT OUR ADVANCED
PRACTICE PROVIDER PROGRAM, THIS
IS HARBORVIEW, WE HAVE A
WONDERFUL TIME FOR A NURSE
PRACTITIONER AND SHE SUPPORTS
OUR CORE HEALTH ONE TEAM AND OUR
OVERDOSE RESPONSE UNIT AND SHE
CAN DO ALL SORTS OF AMAZING
THINGS THAT WE AT THE EMT LEVEL
AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN'T
DO. SAY YOU GO TO SOMEONE'S
HOUSE AND THIS IS A REAL EXAMPLE
AND THEY SAY, "I AM OUT OF MY
ALBUTEROL FOR MY ASTRA I CAN'T
AFFORD MORE, CAN'T SEE A
DOCTOR," CAN WRITE THEM A
PRESCRIPTION RIGHT THERE IN
THEIR HOME, FILL THE
PRESCRIPTION IMMEDIATELY, THE
FIREFIGHTERS CAN WALK AND PICK
UP THE MEDICATION RIGHT AND
THERE. WE CAN DO WOUND CARE, WE
SEE A LOT OF COMPLEX, DIFFICULT
WOUNDS FROM THE SHELTERED
COMMUNITY. YOU CAN MAKE
REFERRALS. IT HAS BEEN A REALLY,
REALLY SUCCESSFUL INTEGRATION,
AND WE ARE THRILLED TO HAVE HER.
SO, YEAH, LASTLY, TO WRAP IT UP,
WE WILL CONTINUE EXPANDING THIS
YEAR. OUR CORE HEALTHONE
PROGRAM, OUR CASE MANAGEMENT,
OUR OVERDOSE TEAM, WE ALWAYS
HAVE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT
DO WE NEED? WE NEED MORE
SHELTER, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE
THE WORK THAT THE MAYOR HAS PUT
INTO THE INTERDEPARTMENTAL TEAM
ON THAT. WE NEED MORE SHELTER
FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION, WE
NEED MORE SHELTER FOR THE HIGH
NEEDS POPULATION. CHILDREN,
FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, PEOPLE
WITH COMPLEX MEDICAL NEEDS,
PEOPLE WITH COMPLEX BEHAVIORAL
NEEDS, AND IT REALLY JUST POST,
YOU KNOW, POST OVERDOSE OR
CRISIS STABILIZATION AS A PRETTY
BIG GAP FOR US. SO, WITH THAT, I
WILL TURN IT BACK.
>> AND JUST TO CLOSE OUT A
COUPLE OF POINTS. FIRST, I WANT
TO THANK DIRECTOR TONYA KIM FOR
HER PARTNERSHIP WITH HER TEAM,
ALL THE CASE MANAGERS ARE WITH
THE HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT,
SO IT IS A TRUE PARTNERSHIP
BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND
THE HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT,
TO COME TOGETHER AND PROVIDE
THIS SERVICE FOR THE CITY. YOU
KNOW, AS WE STARTED THINKING
ABOUT SETTING UP THIS PROGRAM A
NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WHAT WE
WERE WATCHING IN THE CITY OF
SEATTLE IS WE WERE WATCHING OUR
CALLS RISE AT A RAPID RATE THAT
WE COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH AND
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IN
2021, WE RAN 93,000 CALLS FOR
SERVICE, THOSE ARE DISPATCHES
WITH MULTIPLE FIRE UNITS GOING
OUT THE DOOR. AS WE CLOSE OUT
2025, WE RAN 108,000 CALLS, AND
THAT IS WITH THESE PROGRAMS IN
PLACE, SO WE SAW WHAT WAS
HAPPENING. WELL, WHY IS THIS
IMPORTANT? WE KNEW THERE WAS A
SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT
NEEDED SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM
THE FIRE AND EMS RESPONSE. SO,
IN 2025, WE RAN 64,000 BLS
CALLS, THAT'S BASIC LIFE
SUPPORT, THERE WERE MEDICAL
EMERGENCIES THAT HAPPENED AND WE
NEEDED TO CHECK IT OUT. AMR
TRANSPORTED 45,000 OF THAT
64,000 CALLS, WHICH MEANS THERE
IS A DELTA RIGHT THERE THAT WE
LEFT UNSEEN. NOW, OUR MEDICS,
THEY RAN OVER 60,000 CALLS AND
THEY TRANSPORTED JUST UNDER 6000
CALLS. SO, THERE IS ANOTHER
DELTA IN THE POPULATION THAT
NEEDED TO CALL 911, BUT THEY
NEEDED SOMETHING JUST A LITTLE
BIT DIFFERENT. SO, WHEN I THINK
ABOUT OUR REFERRAL PROGRAM, AND
AS JOHN MENTIONED, THE
FIREFIGHTERS WORK ALL OVER THE
CITY, WHO ARE TRAINED AT HEALTH
ONE, THEY ARE TRANSFERRING THAT
INFORMATION TO OTHER
FIREFIGHTERS -- 2025, WE HAD
OVER 3000 REFERRALS WITH PEOPLE
WHO NEEDED ADDITIONAL HELP THAT
CAME FROM OUR FIRE STATIONS, TO
OUR MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH
PROGRAM. AND ONE THING JOHN
DIDN'T HIT THE NAIL AS HARD AS
I WANTED HIM TO HIT IT WITH THE
HAMMER IS OVER 70% OF THOSE
REFERRALS WHO ARE HIGH
UTILIZER'S, WHEN THEY CONNECT
WITH OUR MIH PROGRAM, WE PRETTY
MUCH TAKE 70% OF THEM OUT OF OUR
HIGH UTILIZER POPULATION, WHICH
MEANS THEY ARE CALLING 911
LESTER THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT
TO NOTE. SO, WE SEE ALL OF THESE
PROGRAMS CONTINUING TO GROW
BECAUSE IT IS A CONTINUOUS NEED
WE HAVE HERE, IN THE CITY. SO, I
WANT TO THANK CHAIR KETTLE AND
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL FOR
ALLOWING US JUST A FEW MINUTES
TO SHARE WHAT WE ARE DOING IN
THIS PROGRAM AND WE WILL PASS IT
ONTO THE NEXT PRESENTER.
>> WELL, BEFORE THAT, TWO
THINGS, YES, THANK YOU, JOHN,
FOR GOING FAIRLY QUICK BECAUSE
THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF
SLIDES, WE DO HAVE SHORT TIME,
SO MY ASTRA MY COLLEAGUES IS
THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
THAT WILL BE ONE, TWO, ONE, TWO,
SO, WE GET TO C.A.R.E. AND
POLICE, SO I ALWAYS START WITH
VICE CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I DO NOTE
-- I WANT TO ECHO THAT -- I WANT
TO NOTE THERE ARE TWO MORE
SUBSTANTIVE PRESENTATIONS BOTH
FROM C.A.R.E. AND POLICE AND IN
THE INTEREST OF TIME, I AM GOING
TO TABLE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS I MIGHT HAVE UNTIL
AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE OTHER
SUBSTITUTE PRESENTATIONS AND I
ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO DO
THE SAME UNLESS IT IS VERY
URGENT. THANK YOU.
>> COMMITTEE COLLEAGUES, FIRST.
WISE WORDS FROM MY VICE CHAIR.
BUT, COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER?
>> CHAIR, DO YOU PREFER
QUESTIONS AT THE END OF ALL
THREE PRESENTATIONS?
>> IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO DO THAT
BECAUSE I CAN SEE HOW THESE ARE
LINING UP AND IT MIGHT BE BETTER
WHEN YOU HAVE HAD THE THREE.
OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO PRESS ALL
THE WAY THROUGH. AGAIN, LET'S
KEEP THE PACE UP TO ALLOW FOR
THOSE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> YOU KNOW I CAN TALK FAST.
CHAIR KETTLE, COUNCILMEMBERS,
THANK YOU, IT'S GOOD TO BE
HERE. IT'S SO FUN TO PRESENT
AFTER HIM AND CHIEF SCOGGINS,
THEY ARE MY ORIGINAL EDUCATORS
IN THE SPACE AND WE ARE BUILDING
ON THE PROGRESS, THE FOUNDATION
THAT THEY SET. LET ME FIND --
SO, YOU WERE ALL INSTRUMENTAL IN
DEVELOPING THIS PROGRAM, YOU
KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT, SO I'M
GOING TO GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE
HISTORY. THE C.A.R.E. RESPONDER
PILOT WAS LAUNCHED IN OCTOBER 23
AND THREE RESPONDED -- SUSPENDED
224 RESPONDER CITYWIDE LAST YEAR
AND THANKS TO YOU, WE WILL GROW
TO 48 RESPONDERS AND NINE
SUPERVISORS THIS YEAR. WE SHOULD
BE SENDING THE CORRECT
CONFIGURATION OF RESPONSE TO A
911 CALL AND I HAVE SAID FROM
THE BEGINNING THAT SOMETIMES
THAT WOULD INVOLVE ALSO SENDING
A PEER WITH VERY SPECIFIC LIVED
EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE, IT'S
OFTEN A PEER THAT CAN GET TO THE
CONSENT BASED, TO THE SOLUTION
MOST EFFECTIVELY. WE HAVE NOT
YET DESIGNED ANY FOLLOW-UP TO
CASE MANAGEMENT CALLS LIKE JOHN
DESCRIBED FOR HEALTH ONE BUT WE
KNOW WE NEED THAT FOR SOME
PEOPLE. I CONTINUE TO LIKE TERMS
MODEL, THEY HAVE A CARE
NAVIGATION TEAM THAT CAN
FOLLOW-UP FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS, AS
APPROPRIATE. NEXT SLIDE. THANK
YOU. SO, WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO
DOUBLING THE C.A.R.E. RESPONDER
UNIT THIS YEAR, HOWEVER WE ARE
STILL VERY CONSTRAINED BY THE
LACK OF C.A.R.E. STAFF TO FILL
ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS, IN
AREAS LIKE HR AND TRAINING AND
ALSO BY CITY PROCESS. THE NEW
CRISIS RESPONDER POCKETS WERE
JUST APPROVED LAST WEEK BY CLASS
COMP. WE ARE PRIORITIZING THE
HIRING OF THE SUPERVISORS,
FIRST. THE SUPERVISOR POSITIONS
SHOULD BE FUNCTIONALLY SIMILAR
TO SERGEANTS. THEY NEED TO BE
AVAILABLE IN THE FIELD FOR
TRIAGE AND SUPPORT. WE HAVE
THREE C.A.R.E. RESPONDER ZONES
-- NORTH, CENTRAL, AND SOUTH --
WITH TWO OFFICES IN EACH ZONE.
APPROPRIATE COVERAGE WOULD MEAN
HAVING A SUPERVISOR AVAILABLE IN
EACH OFFICE, EACH DAY, SO THAT
WOULD CURRENTLY MEAN 12
SUPERVISORS INSTEAD OF THREE.
NEXT. UNDER THE CONSTRAINTS OF
THE CURRENT CONTRACT COMIC
C.A.R.E. RESPONDERS ARE
PERMITTED TO RESPOND TO PERSONS
IN PUBLIC SPACE WITH NO EVIDENCE
OF SUBSTANCE USE, NOR
ENCAMPMENT. NOW, WE HAD
INTERPRETED THE CONTRACT TO MEAN
THAT SO LONG AS A PERSON IS NOT
INSIDE A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD
BE TRESPASSED, C.A.R.E.
RESPONDERS COULD HELP THEM.
HOWEVER, LAST WEEK, WE WERE
ADVISED THAT WE WERE NOT
PERMITTED TO BE DISPATCHED TO
ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY WHERE
SOMEONE COULD BE TRESPASSED,
INCLUDING OUTDOOR PARKING LOTS.
WHAT THIS MEANS -- AND THIS
ACTUALLY HAPPENED LAST NIGHT --
IS THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE IN A
QFC PARKING LOT, CLEARLY
STRUGGLING MENTALLY OR
EMOTIONALLY AND WHEN THAT QFC
EMPLOYEE CALLS 911 AND ASKS IF
WE CAN SEND SOMEONE TO PROVIDE
RESOURCES, OUR ONLY OPTION IS TO
SEND AN OFFICER. WE ARE NOT EVEN
PERMITTED TO SEND AN OFFICER AND
DUAL DISPATCH THE C.A.R.E.
RESPONDERS AT THE SAME TIME.
NOW, IN 2024, WE SCRUTINIZED
CALL TIMES THAT NEVER, OR
EXTREMELY RARELY, RESULTED IN
ANY KIND OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
ACTION, AND RECOMMENDED THAT
THIS DATA INFORMED CONTRACT
NEGOTIATION. THE CALL TYPES WE
STUDIED REPRESENTED MORE THAN
47,000 CALLS ANNUALLY. WE WERE
LED TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE WERE
SUGGESTING WAS BEING ADVOCATED
FOR AND THAT NEGOTIATIONS WERE
GOING WELL SO AS SUCH, MY DEMONS
WENT TO WORK FOR NEW TRAINING
FOR 911 PROTOCOLS AND THE
DEPARTMENT WAITED WITH
ANTICIPATION FOR THE DAY THAT WE
COULD START SENDING THE FIRST
BEST RESPONSE TO NEIGHBORS IN
DISTRESS IN PURSUIT OF BREAKING
DESTRUCTIVE CYCLES. WE WERE ALSO
VERY EXCITED TO FREE LAW
ENFORCEMENT UP TO GET THEM TO GO
TO THE CALLS THAT ONLY THEY
COULD GO TO. BECAUSE OF THE
CURRENT EXCLUSIONS, ALTHOUGH
ABOUT 2400 CALLS COME IN 2911
EVERY DAY, WE ESTIMATE THAT
PERHAPS 10 TO 20 WOULD QUALIFY
FOR C.A.R.E. SOLO DISPATCH.
AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A
PERSON ON PUBLIC PROPERTY,
MEANING GOVERNMENT OWNED,
WITHOUT A MINOR PRESENT WITHOUT
EVIDENCE OF SUBSTANCE USE AND TO
DATE C.A.R.E. HAS LOGGED ONTO
ABOUT 10,000 EVENTS HOWEVER
FEWER THAN HALF OF THOSE HAVE
LED TO A REPORT IN OUR MARKET 43
RMS WHICH MEANS SEVERAL THINGS,
IT MEANS WE EITHER LOGGED
OURSELVES ONTO AN AREA
PROACTIVELY WHERE WE THINK WE
MIGHT BE NEEDED, OR WE ARRIVED
AND COULD NOT LOCATE THE
NEIGHBOR IN NEED OF SUPPORT, OR
WE HAVE BEEN CANCELED IN ROUTE
TO THE CALL OR WAIVED OFF. AND
SO, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS
CLINICAL, HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGHLY
TRAINED C.A.R.E. RESPONDER
TEAMS, TOO OFTEN THEY DON'T
EVEN GET A CHANCE TO ENGAGE,
THEY DON'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO
CONNECT PEOPLE INTO SERVICES.
NOW, THIS CHART AT A GLANCE, IT
LOOKS LIKE WE ARE TRENDING IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH REGARD
TO UTILITY BUT IT DOESN'T
REFLECT STAFFING. THE TEAM GREW
400% FROM MID-2024 TO MID-2025,
AND SO WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN AT
LEAST A 400% INCREASE IN CALLS
HANDLED. IN 2024, YOU CAN SEE
THAT UPTICK IN ON VIEWS, THAT
LIGHT BLUE AREA, THAT WAS ME
STRESSING THAT THEY MUST GO OUT
AND ENGAGE PROACTIVELY BETWEEN
CALLS, THEY WERE BEING
UNDERUTILIZED. YOU CAN ALSO SEE
LAST YEAR WHEN THERE WERE MORE
DUAL DISPATCH IS, THAT IS WHEN
911 GOT COMFORTABLE AND
OBLIGATED TO THE IDEA AND
STARTED DOING MORE AFTER ACTION
REVIEWS ENSURING THAT WE ARE
TIGHTLY COMPLIANT WITH THE
PERFECT CALLS TO SEND C.A.R.E.
TODAY, WE ESTIMATE THAT THE 24
RESPONDERS ARE ON AVERAGE ONLY
FULFILLING 28 PERCENT OF THEIR
CAPACITY DUE TO THE CONSTRAINTS
DESCRIBES THAT WE MUST INNOVATE.
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE, TO NOT FULLY
MAXIMIZE THIS IMPORTANT TEAM AND
IT IS ALSO UNACCEPTABLE TO WASTE
EVEN A DOLLAR IN SUCH A
CHALLENGING BUDGET ENVIRONMENT.
NEXT. WELFARE CHECKS ON THE
PUBLIC HAVE BEEN THE MOST COMMON
CALL TO RESPOND TO FOLLOWED BY
PERSON IN CRISIS. THERE IS
TREMENDOUS OVERLAP IN
SUBJECTIVITY AND CALL TIMES.
MISSING CHILD IS AN ALL COST
HANDS ON DECK, WE ARE NOT
HANDLING THOSE ALONE BUT
ASSISTING AND FOR DOMESTIC
DISTURBANCE WE ARE GENERALLY
CALLED UPON TO HELP WITH
RESOURCE NAVIGATION. AT TIMES,
WE CONNECT FOLKS AFTER HOURS TO
THE VICTIM TEAM, SAFETY PROGRAM
WHICH PROVIDES SHORT-TERM
EMERGENCY HOUSING. KAYLEE IN HSD
HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR CLOSEST
COLLABORATORS -- JOHN IS
NODDING, TOO -- AND TRAINS OUR
TEAM AROUND RESPONSES SO I WOULD
REMIND YOU ALL THAT CALL TYPES
AND 911 ORIGINATED IN POLICING
AND THEY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY QUITE
ANTIQUATED. NATIONALLY, WE WANT
TO MOVE TOWARD CRITERIA BASED
DISPATCH. 911 DISPATCH SHOULD BE
OBJECTIVE, INDEPENDENT,
INTELLIGENT, AND DESIGNED TO NOT
DEFAULT TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT
RESPONSE. NEXT. C.A.R.E.
RESPONDERS SHOULD BE THE
CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN THE
PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM AND
COMMUNITY RESOURCES. WE HAVE
SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
TIME MAPPING THE SYSTEM AND
IDENTIFYING WHO SERVES WHICH
POPULATION BEST, AND WHAT
EXCLUSIONARY CRITERIA EXIST FOR
WHAT RESOURCES. OUR TREASURED
PDA COLLEAGUES AT WOLCOTT WORLD
-- SAID IN FRONT OF ME, PEOPLE
ARE NOT SERVICE RESISTANT,
SERVICES ARE PEOPLE RESISTANT
AND I HAVE QUOTED HER EVER
SINCE. SOMEBODY MIGHT BE A
PERFECT FIT FOR A SHELTER BUT
THEY ARE PERMITTED BECAUSE THEY
HAVE SOILED THEMSELVES OR THEIR
DOG DOESN'T HAVE A LEASH OR
THEY ARE PARTIALLY CLOSED AND
BAREFOOT. OUR RESPONDERS CAN
RESOLVE THESE MINOR ISSUES AND
ENSURE THE PERSON IS ADMITTED.
THIS PAST SUNDAY, A CALL CAME IN
FROM AN OLDER MAN, A VETERAN,
WHOSE HEAT HAD BEEN SHUT OFF FOR
DAYS AND HE WAS FREEZING. OUR
RESPONDERS TOOK HIM A SPACE
HEATER AND TALKED HIM THROUGH
HOW TO REGAIN HIS POWER THE NEXT
DAY, SO SOME ISSUES LIKE THAT
CAN BE VERY QUICKLY RESOLVED.
NEXT. SEVERAL TRENDS HAVE
REMAINED STEADY SINCE THE
INCEPTION OF THE PROGRAM. WE
GIVE RIDES ON ABOUT 30% OF THE
CALLS. PEOPLE COME IN TO
SERVICES ABOUT 40% OF THE TIME.
THE RESPONDERS RECORD NOT ONLY
THE CAD DATA, HOW THEY WERE
DISPATCHED, RESPONSE TIME,
WHETHER POLICE STAYED, BUT ALSO
THEIR ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER THEY
LEFT SOMEONE BETTER EQUIPPED IN
SOME WAY. THE PERCEPTION OF
INCREASED WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT
SERVICES IS ONE OF THE MOST
INTERESTING METRICS WE TRACK.
THE DATA POINT HERE ABOUT SPD
STAYING FOR THE DURATION OF MORE
THAN ONE THIRD OF THE CALLS
SHOULD NOT BE MISCONSTRUED TO
IMPLY THERE IS A SAFETY CONCERN,
THIS IS ALMOST NEVER THE CASE,
THIS HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS
CONCURRENT WORK BEING DONE BY
SPD WHEN C.A.R.E. IS DOING WORK,
SOMETIMES THE CALL CAN BE
QUICKLY RESOLVED UPON ARRIVAL
AND THE C.A.R.E. RESPONDERS TO
DOCUMENT WHEN THEY HAVE FELT A
SITUATION WAS UNSAFE FOR THEM
ALONE, WE TRACK THIS CLOSELY.
AND SO, I AM QUITE SURPRISED AND
DELIGHTED BY THIS STATISTIC BUT
STILL TO DATE WE HAVE ONLY
REQUESTED POLICE TO COME ASSIST
16 TIMES SINCE 2023 AND NEVER
FOR A GRAVE SAFETY CONCERN. SOME
EXAMPLES OF WHY WE CALLED SPD
BACK INCLUDING AN ADOLESCENT WHO
FELT UNSAFE AT HOME AND WE HAD
AN OFFICER ON STANDBY WHILE THEY
COLLECTED THEIR BELONGINGS.
ANOTHER TIME, THERE WAS A CLIENT
WITH A WEAPON THEY WANTED TO
SURRENDER, AND THEY NEEDED TO
GET INTO THE CRISIS SOLUTION
CENTER, SO SPD NEEDED TO COME
COLLECT THAT WEAPON. ANOTHER
TIME, SOMEBODY WAS A LITTLE BIT
TOO ERRATIC FOR C.A.R.E. TO FEEL
CONFIDENT PROVIDING THE RIDE.
NEXT. IN 2025, 3085 REPORTS WERE
WRITTEN. TWO POPULATIONS, I HAVE
SPOKEN CONSISTENTLY ABOUT
SERVING, MAJOR SYSTEM GAP AREAS,
ARE THOSE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED
AND THOSE WHO ARE USING
SUBSTANCES. YOU WILL NOTE HERE
THAT WE SERVE ALL TYPES OF
PEOPLE. WE WERE SURPRISED BY THE
GENDER DISPARITY TREND, BETWEEN
MEN AND WOMEN AND ARE CONCERNED
THAT PERHAPS WE ARE NOT SERVING
WOMEN AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD
BECAUSE THEY HAVE CHILDREN WITH
THEM. NEXT. SO, 911 WAS REMOVED
FROM SPD IN 2021 WITH THE
INTENTION OF CREATING A NEW
CIVILIAN CHAIN OF COMMAND,
RESPONSIBLE TO DESIGN AND
DISPATCH THE BEST RESPONSE TO A
911 CALL OR DIVER THE CALL TO
ANOTHER TYPE OF RESOURCE.
ORDINANCE 12694, THE SEATTLE
C.A.R.E. DEPARTMENT IS
RESPONSIBLE TO "IDENTIFY,
TRIAGE, DISPATCH PUBLIC SAFETY
SERVICE REQUEST, FIRST
RESPONDERS, AND OTHER COMMUNITY
RESOURCES MOST APPROPRIATE TO
QUICKLY AND SAFELY RESPOND AND
RESOLVE THE REQUEST IN NEED."
AND WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED BY THE
ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE DIVERSIFIED
COMMUNITY FOCUS RESPONSE TO 911
CALLS IDENTIFIED AS BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH. NEXT. SO, THIS RESPONSE
PROTOCOL REPRESENTS WORKFLOW,
ALTHOUGH THIS IS SOMEWHAT
ASPIRATIONAL. IN TRUTH, SEATTLE
911 EITHER ROUTE A CALL TO THE
DEPARTMENT FOR DISPATCH OR WE
DEFAULT TO POLICE WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF A HANDFUL OF CALLS
THAT FALL WITHIN THAT NARROW
C.A.R.E. RESPONDER PARAMETERS.
WE DO NOT CURRENTLY DISPATCH THE
CSO'S BUT I HAVE BEEN ADVISED
THAT WE WILL. NEXT. THIS IS THE
CURRENT ACUITY MAP OF WHERE
THINGS SIT. WE HAVE POLICE AND
FIRE CO. RESPONSE TEAMS, THEY GO
OUT TO HIGH ACUITY CALLS WHERE
WE THINK THERE COULD BE AN
ARREST ON THE SRT SIDE OR
SOMEONE COULD BE TAKEN TO
HARBORVIEW SO THAT IS THE REAL
DISTINCTION WITH HEALTH ONE, WE
THINK THERE IS A MORE ACUTE
MEDICAL ASPECT TO THE CALL.
C.A.R.E. SHOULD GO TO CLINICAL
CALLS THAT DON'T FALL IN EITHER
CATEGORY, AND THERE ARE TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF THOSE CALLS EVERY
YEAR. BEYOND THE OTHER TWO
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS
PRESENTING HERE, WE WORK VERY
CLOSELY WITH KING COUNTY
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, PUBLIC
HEALTH, THE PROSECUTOR AND CITY
ATTORNEY OFFICES, THE KING
COUNTY JAIL, THE CRISIS C.A.R.E.
CENTERS, AND MANY NONPROFITS. I
HAVE ELIMINATED SOME OF THE
RESTRICTIONS OR PERCEIVED
RESTRICTIONS ON FIRST RESPONDERS
TODAY, BUT I CAN SHARE THAT WE
HAVE RECOMMENDED A NUMBER OF
STRATEGIES TO BE ABLE TO GET
THIS TEAM TO THOUSANDS OF CALLS.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING IN
TIGHT COORDINATION WITH KING
COUNTY JAIL TO ENSURE THAT
RATHER THAN RELEASING NEIGHBORS
DAILY INTO CRISIS AND
HOMELESSNESS, DEPUTIES CAN NOW
CALL US DIRECTLY TO PROVIDE
RESOURCE RENT NAVIGATION OR A
RIDE. ABOUT HALF OF THE FOLKS
EXITING KING COUNTY JAIL EVERY
DAY EXIT INTO HOMELESSNESS SO IT
IS PREDICTABLE THAT THINGS WILL
GO FROM BAD TO WORSE. I HAVE
PROPOSED THAT WE DO SOMETHING
SIMILAR WITH HARBORVIEW. LET'S
GET OUT AHEAD OF THAT
PREDICTABLE 911 CALL. I HAVE
RECOMMENDED, FOR TWO YEARS, THAT
WE ALSO INTEGRATE THE C.A.R.E.
RESPONDERS INTO THE 988 SYSTEM
AND THE CRISIS CONNECTION
LEADERS HAVE BEEN FABULOUS AND
VERY WILLING COLLABORATORS. THEY
ALREADY DISPATCHED A TEAM TO
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CALLS AROUND
THE COUNTY AND WOULD LOVE TO
HAVE ANOTHER RESOURCE FOR
SEATTLE. WE HAVE RECOMMENDED
ESTABLISHING A CLINICAL C.A.R.E.
NAVIGATION LINE, SPECIFICALLY
FOR PROVIDERS AND BUSINESSES TO
FREQUENTLY INTERACT WITH PERSONS
CHRONICALLY IN CRISIS AND I WAS
TOLD LAST YEAR BY OUR LABOR
NEGOTIATOR THAT THIS IS
PERFECTLY FINE, IF THE CALLS ARE
CLINICAL IN NATURE. NOW, LAST
WEEK, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH
ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE IN
TOWN, AMARI SALSBERRY, HE
REMINDED ME, AS SO MANY DO, THAT
THE WORK OF THE C.A.R.E.
RESPONDERS REPRESENTS ONE OF THE
ONLY PROMISES MADE AND KEPT TO
HIS COMMUNITY SINCE 2020, AND SO
WE MUST NOT BREAK THAT PROMISE
AFTER SO MUCH PROGRESS HAS BEEN
MADE AND WHEN THERE IS SO MUCH
LOCAL AND NATIONAL CONSENSUS
THAT HIGHLY TRAINED,
PROFESSIONAL, CLINICAL FIRST
RESPONDER TEAMS ARE ABSOLUTELY
CRUCIAL TO BREAKING CYCLES OF
CRIME AND CRISIS, I AM
UNWAVERING IN MY SUPPORT OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT, WHICH SUPPORT WAS
NEVER CONTINGENT ON THEIR
SUPPORT OF ME. POLICE OFFICERS
AND C.A.R.E. RESPONDERS ARE
TRAINED DIFFERENTLY, THEY
ANALYZE BEHAVIOR THROUGH VERY
DIFFERENT LENSES, AND HAVE VERY
DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT CRUCIAL
ROLES TO PLAY IN ADVANCING
PUBLIC SAFETY. AND SO, I WILL
CONTINUE TO STRESS THAT WE MUST
DESIGN AND GROW FIRST RESPONDER
TEAMS RELATIVE TO THE DATA,
WHICH IS WHY I CONTINUALLY
STRESSED THE NEED TO GROW BOTH
THE HEALTHONE TEAM AND THE
POLICE RESPONDER TEAM OF HIGHLY
SPECIALIZED AND DESPERATELY
NEEDED. AND I DO WANT YOU ALL TO
KNOW THAT I AM UNDAUNTED. I AM
NOT TROUBLED, WHEN I AM MOCKED.
I AM NOT TROUBLED, WHEN I AM
VILIFIED, BUT I DO LOSE SLEEP
MOST NIGHTS THINKING ABOUT THE
MOST NEIGHBORS THAT WE
COLLECTIVELY FAILED THAT DAY. I
THINK ABOUT THE CALLS THAT WE
TOOK TOO LONG TO RESPOND TO OR
GOTTEN NO RESPONSE AT ALL
BECAUSE OF BUREAUCRACY AND I AM
DEEPLY TROUBLED BY THE CLEARLY
AVOIDABLE AND PREVENTABLE DEATHS
THAT WE OBSERVE EVERY DAY IN THE
WAY THAT WE HAVE ALSO TO BECOME
DESENSITIZED TO THE SUFFERING.
MY COLLEAGUES ARE BEHIND ME, WE
KNOW WHO WE ARE WORKING FOR, I
KNOW WHO I AM WORKING FOR AND I
KNOW TO WHOM I AM ACCOUNTABLE.
IT IS OUR NEIGHBORS LANGUISHING
ON THE STREETS AND THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS WHO ARE REALLY SCARED TO
ANSWER THE PHONE IN CASE IT IS
THAT CALL THEY HAVE BEEN
DREADING. I WORK FOR MY NEIGHBOR
AND MY CITY, WHO HAS BEEN
ASSAULTED MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT
WHO HAS A SON WHO IS AUTISTIC
AND DOESN'T WANT TO DISPLACE
HIM FROM THE SERVICES HE
RECEIVES. I WORK FOR ALL THE
PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO ARE IN
RECOVERY, WHO HAVE WORKED
THROUGH THE DARKEST HOURS OF
THEIR LIFE, WHO HAVE SUFFERED,
AND STRUGGLED, AND TRANSCENDED.
AND THEN, ALL THE NONPROFIT
COLLEAGUES WHO ARE THE GUARDIANS
OF THEIR HOPE, AND TOO OFTEN,
THE SURROGATES FOR THEIR FAMILY
AND FOR LOVE. MOST OF THOSE
NONPROFIT WORKERS ARE
OVERWORKED, AND UNDERPAID, AND
VERY FATIGUED, BUT THEY CAN'T
HELP THEMSELVES BECAUSE FOR
PEOPLE LIKE THAT, THERE IS
NOTHING BETTER, THERE IS NO
DEEPER JOY OR SATISFACTION THEN
RUNNING INTO A FORMER CLIENT WHO
IS UNRECOGNIZABLE BECAUSE THEY
ARE SO HAPPY AND THEY ARE SO
HEALTHY. A SON -- ON FRIDAY, I
SPOKE TO SOMEONE WHO HAD BEEN
SERVING A 40 YEAR SENTENCE IN A
HIGH-SECURITY STATE PRISON, JUST
GOT OUT A FEW YEARS AGO, AND I
ASKED HIM, "IF YOU THINK ABOUT
ALL THE PEOPLE YOU INTERACTED
WITH DURING THOSE YEARS, HOW
MANY DO YOU THINK HELD NO
POSSIBILITY OF EVER BEING SAFE
IN COMMUNITY AGAIN? HOW MANY DO
YOU THINK REALLY COULD NOT
CHANGE, EVEN WITH THE BEST
RESOURCES?" AND PEER LED
SUPPORT? AND HE SAID, "NONE."
AND THEN HE SAID, "I DON'T
KNOW, MAYBE THERE IS A FEW, BUT
GENERALLY, NO, NOBODY IS LIKE
THAT." AND SO, I WANT TO REMIND
ALL OF US THAT WE CAN BREAK
THESE CYCLES, EVEN THE PROFOUND
CYCLES OF CRIME AND CRISIS, BUT
WE MUST INVEST FIRST IN
PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION AND
DIVERSION, AND I SINCERELY THANK
YOU, ALL, FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE
LAST THREE YEARS AND EVERYTHING
THAT WE HAVE DONE TO ADVANCE
PROGRESS.
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF BARDEN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT,
CLERKS, IF YOU COULD SWAP OUT
THE BRIEFING, AND NOW WE WILL
MOVE TO OUR THIRD BRIEFING,
CHIEF BARNES.
>> ALL RIGHT, GOOD MORNING,
EVERYONE, WITH PROTOCOL HAVING
ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED BY MY
COLLEAGUES, CHIEF SCOGGINS,
CHIEF BARDEN, ALLOW ME TO SIMPLY
SAY GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD
MORNING TO EVERYONE. I HAVE WITH
ME ASSISTANT CHIEF TYRONE DAVIS
WHO COMMANDS OUR SPECIAL
OPERATIONS DIVISIONS, WHERE MANY
OF OUR DIVERSIFIED RESPONSES ARE
HOUSED. SO, WE WILL BEGIN WITH
OUR BRIEF AND LOOK FORWARD TO
YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> WE WILL HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF
OUR TEAM -- EXCUSE ME -- OUR
SCOS AND CRT TEAMS, AS WELL AS
OUR POLICE TEAMS.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> SORRY.
>> SO, I WANT TO BEGIN BY
TALKING ABOUT OUR MISSION, AND
OF COURSE, OUR PRIORITIES, WHICH
IS VERY IMPORTANT. I AM GOING TO
LAY THE GROUNDWORK AND THEN I
WILL TURN IT OVER, BUT THE
MISSION OF THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT NUMBER ONE IS
PREVENTION OF CRIME. WE ALSO
HAVE A DIVISION REQUESTED WHERE
WE WANTED TO CREATE A POLICE
DEPARTMENT THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS
PROUD OF AND IN ORDER TO DO
THAT, WE HAVE TO PARTNER WITH
OTHER AGENCIES. WE HAVE TO THINK
ABOUT HOW WE RESPOND TO CRIME
AND WE MUST THINK ABOUT, WHAT IS
THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME FOR
OUR COMMUNITY? ADDITIONALLY, WE
WANT TO CREATE A POLICE
DEPARTMENT THAT WILL BE A
NATIONAL MODEL FOR EXCEPTIONAL
POLICING AND WE BELIEVE THE
FOLLOWING PRIORITIES WILL GET US
THERE. CRIME PREVENTION,
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, RETENTION
AND RECRUITMENT, A QUALIFIED
WORKFORCE EMPLOYEE SAFETY AND
WELLNESS, AND OF COURSE,
CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT. NO
POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT I HAVE
EVER BEEN A PART OF, BEEN IN,
AND/OR STUDIED, IS PERFECT.
THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR
IMPROVEMENT. AND JUST BECAUSE WE
ARE NOT PERFECT, IT DOESN'T
MEAN THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO
WORK FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE IN
EVERY CATEGORY INCLUDING THE ONE
FOR WHICH WE ARE HERE TODAY.
THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF HOW
WE ARE LAID OUT IN OUR
DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE TWO DEPUTY
CHIEFS NOW AND UNDER DEPUTY
CHIEF UNDERWOOD, ASSISTANT CHIEF
DAVIS, WHO COMMANDS OUR SPECIAL
OPERATIONS DIVISION. I WILL TURN
IT OVER NOW TO ASSISTANT CHIEF
DAVIS WHO WILL WALK YOU THROUGH
OUR SCOS AND OUR CO-RESPONDER
CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, ALSO KNOWN
AS OUR P.O.E.T. TEAM.
>> AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE
DIVERSIFIED RESPONSE TEAMS THAT
ARE THROUGHOUT THE SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I WILL
START WITH OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE
OFFICERS. THEY ARE A VITAL
BRIDGE TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS
AND BUSINESSES WITHIN THE AREA.
THEY ARE NONCOMMISSIONED AND
UNARMED, YET POWERFULLY EQUIPPED
WITH AND RESOURCES TO HEAL THE
GAPS IN OUR SOCIAL FABRIC
WHETHER IT IS GUIDING AN ELDER
THROUGH CRISIS OR PROVIDING THE
BASIC DIGNITY OF FOOD, CLOTHING,
AND SHELTER, THESE SCOS ARE
VALUABLE RESOURCES TO MANY OF
OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. NEXT
SLIDE. SO, HOW DO WE UTILIZE THE
CSOS? FIRST, IF YOU NEED A CSOS,
THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT THE
FIRST PRIORITY IS SUPPORTING
POLICE OFFICERS, WITH THE
RESOURCES, AND CONNECTIONS TO
THE COMMUNITIES. YOU KNOW, OUR
POLICE CARS, THEY ARE EQUIPPED
IN THE BACK WITH A HARD SEAT AND
A CAGE. PRIOR TO BRINGING THE
CSOS BACK IN 2019, WE WOULD HAVE
TO RESPOND TO A DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CALL WITH A MOTHER AND
TWO CHILDREN, AND PLACE THEM OR
TRANSPORT THEM IN THE BACK SEAT
OF THAT VEHICLE. NOW, WITH THE
CSOS BEING ABLE TO RESPOND WITH
A REGULAR CAR, NO PARTITION OR
CAGE, THEY HAVE BLANKETS, THEY
HAVE TOYS, THEY HAVE ALL THE
THINGS NECESSARY TO TRY AND
BRING SOME COMFORT TO THOSE THAT
ARE SUFFERING FROM, BEING
EXPOSED TO, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
THAT DIGNITY TOWARD THEM, AND
CSOS DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO
SHARE WITH YOU A STORY OR AN
EXAMPLE OF, LIKE, WHAT THE CSOS
WILL DO WHEN THEY RESPOND TO A
CALL FOR SERVICE. THERE WAS A
SITUATION WHEN THERE WAS AN
ELDERLY PERSON THAT WAS A VICTIM
OF FINANCIAL EXPLOITATION. THE
SUSPECT HAD ACCESS TO ADDITIONAL
FUNDS, AND THE VICTIM WAS
CHALLENGED BY TECHNOLOGY. A CSO,
JANE, ONE OF OUR WONDERFUL CSOS,
WORKED WITH THAT VICTIM TO
LOCKDOWN HER DEBIT CARD AND
CREDIT CARDS, PREVENTING THE
SUSPECT FROM GETTING ACCESS TO
$34,000 IN FUNDS. SHE CONTINUED
TO WORK WITH THE VICTIM AND WAS
ABLE TO PROVIDE HER WITH SUPPORT
AND GET HER CONNECTED WITH HER
LOCAL BANK. MANY OF YOU ARE
FAMILIAR WITH THE TRAGIC
INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED RECENTLY,
WHERE WE LOST TWO STUDENTS AT
RAINIER BEACH HIGH SCHOOL. AS
OFFICERS AND DETECTIVES
RESPONDED TO THE SCENE, WE HAVE
CSOS THAT WERE IN THE CROWD,
THERE WERE DOZENS OF STUDENTS,
LOCAL PEOPLE, COMMUNITY MEMBERS
THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE YELLOW
TAPE. OUR CSOS WERE AVAILABLE IN
THAT CROWD TO OFFER RESOURCES
AND SOMEONE TO TALK TO AND
CONDOLENCES BASED ON SOME OF THE
WORK THEY HAVE DONE TO BUILD
BRIDGES WITH THOSE COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, AND WITH THOSE
NEIGHBORING STUDENTS AT RAINIER
BEACH HIGH SCHOOL. THEY
CONTINUED THAT SUPPORT IN THE
FOLLOWING WEEK, BY BEING VISIBLE
AND CONTINUING TO CONNECT WITH
STUDENTS AS THEY RETURNED TO
SCHOOL. THEY ALSO SUPPORTED
CHIEF BARNES AND I WHEN WE MEANT
AND MET WITH THE FAMILIES THAT
WEEK. ONE CSO IN PARTICULAR, CSO
CLYDE, KNEW ONE OF THE VICTIMS.
THIS VICTIM WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF
THE PARTICIPANTS IN HIS
BASKETBALL COMBINES -- WHICH, I
WILL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT
-- AND WAS ABLE TO SHARE HIS
EXPERIENCE WITH THEIR LOVED ONE.
IT REALLY HAD AN IMPACT ON THE
FAMILY AND THEY APPRECIATED THE
FACT THAT THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO
KNEW THEIR LOVED ONE, AND EVEN
SHARED A JOKE THAT BROUGHT
LAUGHTER TO WHAT IS CLEARLY A
SAD AND TRAGIC SITUATION. NEXT
SLIDE. SO, ONE OF THE OTHER WAYS
THAT OUR CSOS WILL CONNECT, IS
THROUGH COMMUNITY. CSOS ARE
OFTEN TASKED WITH CONDUCTING
BUSINESS CHECKS, MEETING WITH
OWNERS, AND CONNECTING THEM WITH
RESOURCES. THEY ARE OFTEN
WORKING WITH THEM AND ARE
FRUSTRATED SO WHETHER IT IS A
BUSINESS OWNER IN OUR VIBRANT,
INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT OR THEY
ARE DEALING WITH THE UNHOUSED
AND ISSUES RELATED TO THAT
PROBLEM, OR TO SOME OF THE
BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE TO DEAL
WITH THE RESULTS OF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING THAT PLAGUE THE
AURORA CORRIDOR, THEY ARE
ANOTHER VALUE ASSET, VALUABLE
ASSET IN TERMS OF CONNECTING
PEOPLE WITH THOSE RESOURCES THAT
ARE HELD TO KEEP THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE. THEY WORK
WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS, THEY WORK
IN COMMUNITY CENTERS WITH THE
SEATTLE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THEY
WORK WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS
AND COMMUNITY GROUPS WITHIN
THEIR RESPECTIVE AREAS. NEXT
SLIDE. SO, HOW DO WE ACCOMPLISH
THIS, RIGHT? SO, WE HAVE 20 CSOS
AND FOUR SUPERVISORS. WE JUST
SHIFTED FROM A CENTRALIZED
DEPLOYMENT MODEL, IN 2024,
SEPTEMBER OF 2024, WE PUSHED
THEM OUT TO THE PRECINCTS. AND I
THINK THIS WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE
IT HELPED FOR THE CSOS TO GET
FURTHER INTEGRATED WITHIN A
DEPARTMENT AND SUPPORT THOSE
OFFICERS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE
PRECINCTS. THE TEAMS ARE DIVIDED
UP BY PRECINCTS. WE HAVE FOUR
TEAMS WITH ONE TEAM SHARING THE
SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST PRECINCTS.
AND I THINK IT REFLECTS IN OUR
STAFF'S, IN OUR DATA. IN 2025,
CSOS RESPONDED TO WHAT WE CALL
COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH. THEY
SPREAD IT TO OVER 8900 CALLS OF
SERVICE WHICH IS A 200% INCREASE
FROM THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSES WE
HAD IN 2024. THAT IS
SIGNIFICANT. THAT IS -- WE ALSO
HAD A 35% INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT
OF TIMES AT WHICH THOSE POLICE
OFFICERS CALL FOR THE ASSISTANCE
OF CSOS AND I THINK THAT IS
SIGNIFICANT -- THAT IS JUST
SHOWING THAT WE ARE INTEGRATING
COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS AND
FINDING THE VALUE OF WORK THEY
DO. AND I THINK THAT WILL ONLY
EXPAND AS WE WORK AND WE ARE
WORKING COLLABORATIVELY RIGHT
NOW WITH THE C.A.R.E. DEPARTMENT
TO DO SOME TRAINING AND FINALIZE
PRIORITY RESPONSE TO CERTAIN
TYPES OF CALLS FOR SERVICE. SO,
SOME OF THEM WILL BE, LIKE, A
RESPONSE TO LOST, MISSING, OR
FOUND PROPERTY CALLS, PROPERTY
DAMAGE FOR INCIDENTS WHERE THERE
IS UNDER $750 OF DAMAGE. AND
MISSING JUVENILE AND RUNAWAY
REPORTS, SO AGAIN THESE ARE
REPORTS THAT ARE TRADITIONALLY
HANDLED BY OUR POLICE OFFICERS
THAT WILL BE HANDLED IN A
PRIMARY RESPONSE ROLE WITH SOME
GUIDELINES FOR SAFETY, OF
COURSE, FOR OUR COMMUNITY SAFETY
OFFICERS. NEXT SLIDE. SO, I HAVE
SHOWED YOU ONE END OF THE
SPECTRUM, THAT COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT ROLE THAT THE
COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS
PROVIDE, BUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH
MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS
WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM ACUTE
MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, BEHAVIORAL
CRISIS, WHETHER IT IS DUE TO
MENTAL HEALTH, OR SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDERS? AND THAT IS WHERE OUR
CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM COMES IN.
OUR CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM
SUPPORTS COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT
SUFFER FROM ACUTE BEHAVIORAL
CRISIS, DUE TO MENTAL HEALTH AND
SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS. WE PAIR
THEM WITH A SPECIALLY TRAINED
POLICE OFFICER, ONE WHO IS
EXPERIENCED AND HAS EXTRA
TRAINING IN CRISIS INTERVENTION,
AND ALSO OFTEN SERVE AS OUR
LEADS FOR TRAINING THE REST OF
THE DEPARTMENT, ACTUALLY THE
REST OF THE REGION, AS THE 40
HOUR CRISIS INTERVENTION PROGRAM
IS A REGIONAL TRAINING PROGRAM
THAT IS COMPLETED AT THE
REGIONAL JUSTICE CENTER IN
BURIEN. I WANT TO SHARE WITH
YOU, A STORY OF HOW WE DEAL WITH
GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR AREA AND
THAT WE HAVE A HOLISTIC APPROACH
IN HOW WE DEAL WITH MANY OF THE
PEOPLE IN CRISIS AND THIS
INVOLVES AN OLDER GENTLEMAN WHO
HAD DEVELOPED SOME MEMORY ISSUES
AND CALLED 911 REPEATEDLY,
THINKING SOMEONE WAS BREAKING
INTO HIS HOME. HE WENT AS FAR AS
TO GO INTO HIS FRONT ARE YARD
WITH A FIREARM WHICH OBVIOUSLY
SCARE THE NEIGHBORS. AN OFFICER
JOINED BY AN MHP INTERVENED AND
MANAGED TO SECURE HIS FIREARM
USING AN ERPO, AN EXTREME RISK
PROTECTION ORDER. THE CRISIS
TEAM CONNECTED WITH THE FAMILY
AND WORKED WITH THIS GENTLEMAN
TO CONNECT HIM WITH SERVICES. HE
CALLED THE CRT UNIT AND THEY
CONTINUED TO TRY TO SUPPORT HIM.
HE NOW CALLS THE CRISIS RESPONSE
TEAM. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF
THE WORK THAT THAT UNIT WILL DO.
THEY WORK TO HANDLE ERPOS, AND
ALSO DENY A FIREARMS
TRANSACTIONS PROGRAM. NEXT
SLIDE. AND THAT DATA SHOWS, HOW
DO WE COVER THIS? WE HAVE FOUR
MHPS, AND WE WANT TO TAKE A
MINUTE TO JUST THANK THE COUNCIL
FOR ALLOWING OR EXPANDING OUR
BUDGET TO ALLOW ADDING TWO MORE
MHPS IN 2026 SO THIS WILL HELP
TO FURTHER SERVE MANY OF THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM
BEHAVIORAL OR ACUTE BEHAVIORAL
CRISIS. AS A RESULT OF THAT
WORK, THEY HAVE RECOVERED 71
FIREARMS IN 2025 THROUGH USE OF
ERPO AND DIFFERENT FIREARM
TRANSACTIONS PROGRAMS. NEXT
SLIDE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
OTHER TYPES OF RESPONSE. WE HAVE
THE POLICE OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT
TEAM, WHICH I WILL HIGHLIGHT
HERE IN A BIT. I ALSO WANT TO
TALK ABOUT THE WORK OF OUR CRIME
PREVENTION COORDINATORS. MANY OF
YOU KNOW FORMER COUNCILMEMBER
MARK SOLOMON, WHO CURRENTLY
SERVES AS OUR CRIME PREVENTION
COORDINATOR AT THE SOUTH
PRECINCT, THESE CRIME PREVENTION
COORDINATORS ARE INSTRUMENTAL IN
DEVELOPING STRATEGIC PLANS FOR
HOW TO ADDRESS ISSUES WITHIN
THEIR RESPECTIVE PRECINCTS. THIS
WILL INCLUDE, LIKE, CONNECTING
WITH BUSINESSES ABOUT CRIME
PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL
DESIGNS, IMPROVED LIGHTING,
WORKING WITH THE SEATTLE
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, OR
WORKING WITH KING COUNTY METRO
ABOUT MOVING BUS SHELTERS. THESE
ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
THEY DO TO HELP MAKE THOSE AREAS
SAFE. THEY ALSO LOOK AT
STRATEGIC PLANS AND HOW TO APPLY
FOR GRANTS, FOR EXAMPLE, SO WE
CAN GIVE BACK STEERING WHEEL
LOCKS TO AN AREA THAT IS HIGHLY
EFFECTIVE FOR AREAS LOOKING FOR
STOLEN VEHICLES. OUR PARKING
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE
ESSENTIAL. THEY ASSIST US WITH
TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS, WHETHER
IT IS A BASEBALL GAME WHERE THEY
ARE FIST BUMP IN KIDS AS THEY
CROSS THE STREET AND KEEP
EVERYBODY SAFE, OR BY JUST
SUPPORTING ALL THE EFFORTS FROM
OUR UNIFIED C.A.R.E. TEAM AS WE
DEAL WITH RV MITIGATION FOR OWN
HOUSE. OUR INTERNET AND
TELEPHONE REPORTING UNIT IS A
HUGE SUPPORT, THESE ARE OFFICERS
WHO TAKE REPORTS FOR
NONEMERGENCY CALLS FOR SERVICE
WHERE A POLICE OFFICER DOES NOT
NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT SCENE.
THEY HAVE HANDLED OVER 30% OF
THE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN 2025,
SO, NEARLY 9000 POLICE REPORTS
WERE WRITTEN BY THAT UNIT. ALSO,
THANKFULLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE
HIRED SO MANY OFFICERS OVER THE
LAST YEAR, SOME OF OUR STUDENTS
AS THEY RETURNED FROM THE
ACADEMY WILL WORK IN THAT UNIT
FOR A WHILE, AND GIVE IMMEDIATE
PRACTICE, AND WRITING POLICE
REPORTS, TO PREPARE THEM BEFORE
THEY GO OUT TO THE STREETS FOR
FIELD TRAINING. NEXT SLIDE. SO,
I TALKED ABOUT OUR P.O.E.T.
TEAM, BRIEFLY. THIS IS A GROUP
THAT WAS FORMED BASED ON WHAT WE
LEARNED THROUGH AN EVENT REVIEW
PROCESS FOLLOWING THE 2020
DEMONSTRATIONS AND RIOTS. THESE
ARE WHAT WE CALL DIALOGUE POLICE
OFFICERS, THAT IS A CONCEPT THAT
WE STOLE FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES
IN EUROPE.
>> WE BORROWED. WE BORROWED.
>> [ LAUGHTER ] SO --
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THAT
CLARIFICATION.
>> YEAH, AND WE STILL WORK WITH
DR. SCOTT, WHO IS THE ONE WHO
KIND OF HELPED US DEVELOP THIS
PROGRAM, TODAY. SO, I THINK DR.
STARK WILL APPRECIATE THAT
CORRECTION. BUT, THESE OFFICERS,
WE OFTEN SAY IT WITH OUR
INCIDENT COMMANDERS, THEY LEAD
WITH P.O.E.T. -- WHAT THAT
MEANS, IS THEY WILL WORK WITH
LOCAL ORGANIZERS FOR
DEMONSTRATIONS, WHETHER THEY ARE
PLANNED OR UNPERMITTED, AND WORK
TO FIND OUT, LIKE, WHAT EXACTLY
IT IS THEY WANT FROM A POLICE
SUPPORT. THEY ARE VERY CRUCIAL
IN GIVING THE INCIDENT
COMMANDERS REAL-TIME DATA, IN
TERMS OF THE TONE AND TENOR OF
THE CROWD AND HOW WE CAN BEST
RESPOND. AS THEY CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH MANY ORGANIZERS, THEY
HAVE DEVELOPED RELATIONSHIPS,
AND NOW, WE ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO
CALL THEM, SOMETIMES, DAYS AHEAD
OF THE EVENT AND WORK OUT SOME
OF THE DETAILS THAT WILL LEAD TO
THEM HAVING A SAFE OPPORTUNITY
TO EXERCISE THEIR FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS. NEXT SLIDE.
SO, HOW DO WE DO THIS? WELL,
FIRST, IT STARTS WITH OFFICERS
WHO HAVE THAT SORT OF WORK IN
THEIR HEART. THE P.O.E.T. UNIT
IS NOT A PERMANENT UNIT, ALL OF
THE OFFICERS AND SERGEANTS THAT
SUPPORT THE UNIT HAVE DIFFERENT
JOBS. BUT, WHEN THERE IS A
SPECIAL EVENT, WE OFTEN COUNT ON
THEM TO DO THE WORK I JUST
DESCRIBED, AND IT HAS BEEN VERY,
VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM IN THAT
WAY. THE BIGGEST THING IS, YOU
KNOW, WE HAVE EVENTS, WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF THEM IN 2025, SOME OF
THEM WITH CROWDS AS HIGH AS
75,000 PEOPLE AND A LOT OF THOSE
EVENTS ARE HANDLED WITH THE
POLICE, PEACEFULLY, SINCE SIMPLY
JUST WITH A HANDSHAKE AND I
THINK THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO HOW
WE HAVE EVOLVED AS AN AGENCY AND
HOW WE DO WITH SPECIAL EVENTS
AND DEMONSTRATION MANAGEMENT.
AND I THINK WITH THAT, FOR THE
SAKE OF TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO
END WITH MY PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I
APPRECIATE THE BRIEFING FROM THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT, CHIEF BARNES,
KARE, CHIEF BARDEN AND FRAN 27
STARTING US OFF WITH FIRE. AS
NOTED TO MY COLLEAGUES, A LOT OF
GREAT INFORMATION, A LOT OF
ISSUES, A LOT OF THINGS TO
DIGEST, SO I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN
UP QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES,
PROBABLY GIVEN -- WE CAN GO
OVER, HOPEFULLY, A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, DIRECT TO THE QUESTIONS AND
OVER TO YOU, VICE CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK
YOU, MS. ALISON HOLCOMB FROM THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE, CHIEF SCOGGINS,
AMY BARDEN, AND BARNES IN YOUR
RESPECTIVE TEAMS SOME OF WHICH
ARE REPRESENTED HERE IN THE
AUDIENCE, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL
THE TERRIFIC WORK YOU ALL DO
EVERY DAY, TO KEEP US SAFE, AND
SO MANY MEANINGFUL, AND
IMPACTFUL, AND TRULY PROFOUND
WAYS, AND REALLY, ALSO
APPRECIATE THE COLLABORATION
AMONGST YOU, ALL, WORKING
TOGETHER TOWARD A SHARED GOAL OF
KEEPING US SAFE. AND ON THE
FIRESIDE, FIRST I WILL NOTE,
HEALTH ONE, HEALTH 99, MISSION
CRITICAL, HEALTH RELATED
ALTERNATIVE RESPONSES FOR OUR
COMMUNITY, I RECEIVE SO MUCH
PRAISE AND KUDOS TOWARD THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT FOR THE WORK THAT
HEALTH ONE AND HEALTH 99,
RESPECTIVELY, DO EVERY DAY.
C.A.R.E. DEPARTMENT, SUCH A
TERRIFIC, VISIBLE PRESENCE AND I
AM SO HONORED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
HELP PROVIDE FUNDING TO HELP
EXPAND THE ORGANIZATION, TO MAKE
SURE IT'S ALMOST, KIND OF,
24/7, 365, BUT DEFINITELY
CITYWIDE, THAT IS THE
LONGER-TERM GOAL. BUT, BOTTOM
LINE IS, NOW, YOU ARE ABLE TO DO
MORE, AND I KNOW MY 116,000+
CONSTITUENTS IN DISTRICT ONE
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE,
THE PRESENCE OF THE C.A.R.E.
DEPARTMENT RESPONDERS, IN
DISTRICT 1 AND I KNOW THAT IS
SHARED -- THAT SENTIMENT IS
SHARED ACROSS THE CITY, AS WELL.
SPD, ALWAYS APPRECIATE, YOU
KNOW, YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND THE
TERRIFIC OVERALL WORK YOU GUYS
DO. I WILL NOTE THAT THE CSOS IN
PARTICULAR, SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO
THE CSOS. COUNCILMEMBER LIN
INVITED ALL OF US, A FEW WEEKS
BACK, AFTER THE TRAGIC MURDERS
OF THOSE TWO YOUNG MEN IN RANIER
BEACH, TO STOP BY AFTER SCHOOL
AND SHOW SUPPORT, AND I TOOK HIM
UP ON HIS GENEROUS OFFER, TO
VISIT HIS DISTRICT, AND SHOW
SUPPORT AND SOLIDARITY FOR THE
STUDENTS, TEACHERS, FAMILIES,
AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK I DID
IT ON TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY OF
THE FOLLOWING WEEK AFTER IT
HAPPENED, I HAPPEN TO HAVE IT ON
FRIDAY, I WAS HEARTENED TO SEE
AND ENGAGE WITH SO MANY
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, SERVICE
PROVIDERS, STUDENTS, AND
INCLUDING CSOS. THEY WERE THERE
ON THE SCENE. AND I WILL SAY,
THE CSOS ON THE SCENE, THEY WERE
MUCH WELCOMED BY EVERYONE
PRESENT. SO, I HAVE SEEN THEIR
APPRECIATION FROM THE COMMUNITY
FIRSTHAND AND ALL THIS TO SAY,
REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU
ALL DO AND JUST WANTED TO CALL
OUT A FEW SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
THAT SAID, A COUPLE QUESTIONS
AROUND OUR C.A.R.E. DEPARTMENT.
CHIEF BARDEN, YOU NOTED THERE
ARE, TOWARDS THE OPENING OF YOUR
PRESENTATION, YOU NOTED A FEW
CURRENT EXCLUSIONS, AND YOU
KNOW, REPORTEDLY KIND OF
PROHIBITING YOU ALL FROM DOING
MORE, BEING MORE EFFECTIVE IN
YOUR WORK. I WAS A BIT CONCERNED
TO HEAR THE PRIVATE PARKING LOT
RESTRICTION THAT PREVENTS YOU
FROM MERELY EVEN RESPONDING AND
I DO UNDERSTAND COMPELLING
ARGUMENTS FROM BOTH SIDES OR ON
ALL SIDES, RATHER, FOR, YOU
KNOW, MEASURED RESPONSE, SO THE
RESPONSE FROM C.A.R.E., AND
PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND CERTAIN
PRIVATE PROPERTY SITUATIONS,
SOME CAN POTENTIALLY SEEM TO
HAVE THE RISK TO POSE MORE HARM
AND DANGER THAN OTHERS. BUT,
WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A
PRIVATE PARKING LOT, ESPECIALLY
ONE THAT AT LEAST ON ITS FACE
APPEARS TO BE OPEN, NOT A
PARKING LOT STRUCTURE, WHICH BAD
THINGS HAPPEN IN THE CONFINES OF
STRUCTURES. SO, I WILL PUT THAT
ONE ASIDE, BUT AN OPEN PARKING
LOT THAT IS EFFECTIVELY AN
EXTENSION OF A PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT IT IS JUST
PRIVATELY OWNED, THAT SEEMS TO
BE A GLARING EXAMPLE OF, LIKE,
MISSION CRITICAL INTERVENTIONS
NEEDED, TODAY. AND SO, AND, YOU
KNOW, THIS KIND OF TOUCHES THE
RECENTLY NEGOTIATED COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH SPOCK.
I NOTE THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT,
UNDER THAT, AGREEMENT, IS ABLE
TO DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT MORE,
BUT ENTERING PRIVATE PROPERTY IS
STILL A RESTRICTION. MAYBE I
WILL ASK THIS TO THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE -- WOULD IT NEED FURTHER
NEGOTIATION UNDER CURRENT STATE
LAW, TO LIFT THE PROHIBITION
AGAINST ENTERING A PRIVATE
PARKING LOT THAT IS OPEN,
UNCOVERED, NO STRUCTURE -- WOULD
THAT ASPECTS NEED TO BE
SPECIFICALLY NEGOTIATED UNDER
ANY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
PROCESS UNDER STATE LAW?
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR SAKA.
WHAT I CAN SHARE TODAY IS THAT
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS ACTIVELY
CONSULTING WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THE PROPER
INTERPRETATION OF THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND THIS
PARTICULAR ADDENDUM REFERRED TO
IS THE C.A.R.E. M.O. YOU AND WE
HOPE TO HAVE AN ANSWER ABOUT
WHAT THE NEXT STEPS COULD LOOK
LIKE POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE.
>> THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, AGAIN,
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RESPONSE
SCENARIOS ON THE FACE POSE MORE
RISK THAN OTHERS AND OTHERS --
LIKE, THAT ONE JUST DOESN'T PASS
THE STRAIGHT FACE TEST, SO I'M
HOPING WE CAN, LIKE, COMMON
SENSE CAN PREVAIL IN THE ABSENCE
OF ANY CHANGES TO STATE LAW I
LONG ADVOCATED FOR, WILL
CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR BECAUSE
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AND
WHAT WE ARE SEEING, WHAT WE
LIKELY WILL SEE AGAIN IN THE
NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, ABSENCE OF
CHANGE, IS THE SYSTEM
FUNCTIONING EXACTLY AS DESIGNED,
NOT A DESIGN FLAW OR A BUG IN
THE SYSTEM, IT IS A DESIGN
FEATURE, SO WE NEED TO CHANGE
THE SYSTEM, WE NEED REFORM AT
THE STATE LEVEL. IN ANY EVENT,
LET'S LET COMMON SENSE PREVAIL,
HERE, AS WELL. CHIEF BARDEN, SO,
NOTING THAT SCENARIO -- AND ON
THE OTHER HAND, THE CONTRACT, IT
DID ALLOW FOR MORE PROACTIVE
ENGAGEMENT IN INTERVENTIONS
WHICH, I THINK, IS OVERALL A
HUGE COMMUNITY WIN. AND I HAVE,
IN THE SUMMER OF '24, DID A
RIDE ALONG, OR A WALK ALONG WITH
YOU, ALL, AND UNDER THE THEN
CURRENT RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, IN
PLACE, AND I WILL NEVER FORGET
WALKING ALONG THIRD AVENUE, NEAR
THE McDONALD'S IN DOWNTOWN, AND
SEEING A -- AND YOU'RE TRAINED
SOCIAL WORKERS, THEY CARRY A
VARIETY OF, YOU KNOW, TOOLS, AND
INSTRUMENTS, AND SUPPORTS WITH
THEM, INCLUDING STOCKS, AND
SNACKS, AND CHIPS, AND THE LIKE,
AND I WILL NEVER FORGET SEEING A
GENTLEMAN WHO WAS SPRAWLED OUT
ON THE STREET NEAR THAT
LOCATION, AND IN CLEAR AND
COMPELLING CRISIS SITUATION,
NEEDED AN INTERVENTION OF SOME
SORT, CHEEKS ALL OUT, VERY
CLEAR, VISIBLE, NEEDED HELP AND
UNDER THE THEN CURRENT RULES OF
ENGAGEMENT COULDN'T PROACTIVELY
IN THE ABSENCE OF SPD DUAL
DISPATCH, COULDN'T EVEN OFFER
-- IF ANYONE IN THE WORLD AT THE
TIME NEEDED SOME SOCKS AND A
SNACK, AT A BARE MINIMUM, IT WAS
THAT GENTLEMAN, AND SO, THE GOOD
NEWS WITH THIS COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENT IS THAT IT
DID UNLOCK THE ABILITY FOR A
PROACTIVE SOUL DISPATCH
ENGAGEMENT IN THOSE KINDS OF
SCENARIOS AND THAT WAS ON A
PUBLIC SIDEWALK, BY THE WAY. ALL
OF THIS TO SAY, CHIEF SCOGGINS
-- AND I KNOW IT IS FAIRLY NEW,
I THINK, JANUARY 1, MY
UNDERSTANDING, IS THE EFFECTIVE
DATE OF THAT, SO WE ARE A MONTH
AND A HALF PLUS INTO TRULY
UNLOCKING MORE POTENTIAL FOR YOU
AND YOUR ORGANIZATION, BUT YOU
FRAMED, YOU OPEN UP THE
CONVERSATION BY FRAMING THINGS
AS CURRENT EXCLUSIONS, WHICH I
TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, AND WE HAVE
SEEN SOME OF THOSE, AND I AGREE,
FROM SOME OF THE THINGS I AM
AWARE OF. BUT, LET'S ALSO TALK
ABOUT THE CURRENT EXPANSION
OPPORTUNITIES, AND WHAT WAS JUST
UNLOCKED, I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN
MORE, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE,
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO --
WHAT HAS C.A.R.E. BEEN ABLE TO
SEE AND ACCOMPLISH, SO FAR, IN
THIS EARLY KIND OF
IMPLEMENTATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE
NEWLY UNLOCKED POWER AND ABILITY
TO ENGAGE PROACTIVELY WITH OUR
COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS IT?
>> YEAH, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE
TO JUST FIRST COMMENT ON THE
PARKING LOT/SIDEWALK EXCLUSION,
THAT EXEMPTION DOES NOT APPLY TO
THE COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS,
TO HEALTH ONE, TO ANY OTHER
SERVICE TEAM IN TOWN. A REMINDER
THAT CHIEF SCOGGINS' DEPARTMENT
IS ENTIRELY UNARMED AND CIVILIAN
SO IN DESIGNING, WE HAVE THE
SAME SELF SAFETY PROTOCOLS THAT
HEALTH ONE DOES OR ANY OTHER
CIVILIAN TEAM, CAUTION IS VERY
IMPORTANT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN
IMPORTANT SUCCESS RECORD IN ONLY
CALLING SPD 16 TIMES SINCE 2023,
THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED, THAT
MEANS OUR SAFETY PROTOCOLS ARE
EXCELLENT, AND I REALLY THANK
ALISON HOLCOMB FOR THE SUPPORT,
AND THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE AND SHE HAS BEEN
AT THE READY AND HIGHLY, HIGHLY
RESPONSIVE AND VERY CONFIDENT IT
WILL GET RESOLVED. I WANT TO
REMIND YOU, ALL, THAT THIS
CONTRACT RELATES TO CALLS THAT
WOULD COME INTO 911, THAT
HISTORICALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN
HANDLED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT
IS A PORTION OF THE EMERGENCIES
IN THE CITY. IT WAS NEVER 100%
OF THE CALLS. IT WAS 130
PROGRAMS AROUND THE COUNTRY,
SOME ARE FAR MORE SIGNIFICANT,
ACTUALLY, IN MAGNITUDE, THEN
OURS. LAST YEAR, PORTLAND STREET
RESPONSE WENT TO MORE THAN
15,000 CALLS, AND IT'S NOT
BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT
LABOR ENVIRONMENT, IT IS BECAUSE
THEY HAVE CONSENSUS AND
LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE COUNCIL,
THE MAYOR, AND CHIEF DAY, SO IT
IS THE EXPECTATION THAT THESE
CALLS QUICKLY GET TURNED OVER.
THE BRIGHT SPOT, FOR ME, IN
JANUARY, A REALLY GOOD PART OF
THE CONTRACT, TWO THINGS -- IT
MAKES C.A.R.E. PERMANENT AND I
THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT, IT
RELEASES THAT HEADCOUNT
RESTRICTION AND SAYS, THIS IS A
PERMANENT PART OF THE ECOSYSTEM,
THAT IS HUGELY SIGNIFICANT. THE
SECOND THING I WAS REALLY HAPPY
ABOUT IS THE LANGUAGE IS
CRITERIA BASED. WHAT I EXPECTED
AGAIN WAS, OKAY, HERE ARE YOUR
SEVEN CALL TYPES THAT NOW YOU
CAN GO TO. ON THE CONTRARY, IT
SAYS, IN THESE TYPES OF CRISIS
SITUATIONS, WITHOUT THESE
THINGS, YOU CAN GO. AND THAT IS
A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. I THOUGHT THAT MY
FOLKS AND 911 WERE GOING TO BE
VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE THE
LANGUAGE IS SUBJECTIVE. ON THE
CONTRARY. THEY WERE MORE
THRILLED AND READY THAN I EVER
COULD HAVE IMAGINED. IT IS HARD
TO BE A 911 WATCHING A CALL HOLD
FOR THREE HOURS, WATCHING
SOMEONE GET WORSE, TO HAVE
NOBODY TO SEND, SO I THOUGHT IT
WAS GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS
TO ROLL OUT THE NEW PROTOCOLS,
IT DIDN'T. IN A WEEK, EVERYONE
WAS READY TO GO AND THEY ARE
READY TO DISPATCH. WE ARE
GETTING MUCH MORE TIGHTLY
COORDINATED IN THE BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH SYSTEM, AND AGAIN,
EMBEDDED IN THE JAILS. WE ARE
TRYING TO DO WHAT JOHN
DESCRIBED. WHEN HE HAD TO DO
THOSE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WHERE
IT WAS IN THE SPACE OF ABOUT 24,
28 DAYS, YOU START TO SEE
SOMEONE ACTUALLY STABILIZE. WE
WANT TO FULFILL THE SAME ROLE.
WE OFTEN HAND OFF TO HEALTH ONE,
HEALTH ONE OFTEN HANDS-OFF TO
US. BUT, WE NEED TO SEE HOW THAT
PERSON IS DOING IN THE SYSTEM,
SO IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY WORSE IN
FOUR, OR FIVE, OR SIX WEEKS, WE
CAN TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THE
OTHER BEST THING HAPPENING
CURRENTLY, THE LAST SIX WEEKS,
IS WE HAVE THE LEAD CONTRACTS
AND CO-LEAD CONTRACTS, SO WE ARE
STARTING TO SEE, THIS IS WHERE
THE EMERGENCY HOUSING
AVAILABILITY IS, TODAY. WE HAVE
GOTTEN MUCH MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT
WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM LEAD.
RIGHT? IT IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS
ALL, THAT THERE ARE BETTER
CRITERIA, MORE ACCURATE
CRITERIA, CITYWIDE, FOR THAT
TYPE OF REALLY IMPORTANT,
INTENSIVE OUTPATIENT CASE
MANAGEMENT. SO, I THINK THE
NEXT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT SIX
MONTHS, WE WILL SEE SOME REALLY
GOOD THINGS, I JUST NEED TO BE
ABLE TO DEPLOY THE TEAM IN
DIFFERENT WAYS, RIGHT? I CAN'T
RELY ON 911 ALONE, OR THEY ARE
GOING TO REMAIN 28% UTILITY.
>> YEAH, I'M SORRY, CAN I WEIGH
IN ON THAT? I WANT TO BE CLEAR,
YES, THERE ARE MANY PROGRAMS OF
C.A.R.E. THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
I LEFT A POLICE DEPARTMENT
BEFORE I CAME HERE THAT FULLY
IMPLEMENTED C.A.R.E. WITH NO
RESTRICTIONS. CHIEF IS RIGHT.
THE CONSISTENCY, LEADERSHIP IN
COUNCIL, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE,
AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE, WHICH
IS THE SAME THING, HERE. SO, I
WANT TO BE CLEAR, I SUPPORT THE
CAROTENE, I SUPPORT THE WORK
THAT THEY DO. EARLIER, WE TALKED
ABOUT LIVED EXPERIENCE, I HAVE
LIVED EXPERIENCE AND THE NEXT
TIME WE HAVE A ONE ON ONE, I
WILL SHARE WITH YOU THE STORY OF
MY COUSIN THAT WAS SHOT AND
KILLED BY THE POLICE WHILE
EXPERIENCING A MENTAL HEALTH
CRISIS. SO, I HAVE SKIN IN THE
GAME AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT
OUR DEPARTMENT RESPECTS
C.A.R.E., OUR OFFICERS WILL BE
ABIDING BY THE MOU, IF WE WANT
TO CHANGE THAT, THAT IS FINE,
BUT THERE IS BROAD SUPPORT FOR
THIS KIND OF WORK AND AS I
ALWAYS SAY, THERE IS ENOUGH WORK
TO GO AROUND FOR EVERYONE.
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR, THANK
YOU, TWO, CHIEFS, FOR THAT.
THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER LIN?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I BELIEVE
COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER HAD HER
HAND UP -- I AM NOT SURE IF WE
ARE GOING IN ORDER.
>> TRADITIONALLY, WE GO,
COMMITTEE MEMBERS FIRST.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU, ALL, FOR BEING HERE,
AND I JUST WANT TO CHIME IN ON
THAT LAST POINT, THERE IS ENOUGH
WORK TO GO AROUND, I FULLY
AGREE, CHIEF. AND, YOU KNOW, IF
WE HAD MORE TIME, I WOULD LIKE
TO HEAR SORT OF HOW THAT NEED
HAS PROBABLY GROWN OVER TIME, AT
LEAST IN MY LIFETIME, IT SEEMS
LIKE IT HAS GROWN, AND YOU KNOW,
I THINK OF YOU AS, YOU KNOW, OUR
CRISIS RESPONDERS. AND
UNFORTUNATELY, WE SEE SO MUCH OF
OUR COMMUNITY IN CRISIS, BECAUSE
OF THE FAILURES OF OUR MANY
SYSTEMS, OUR HOUSING SYSTEM, OUR
MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM, OUR
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEMS. AND
WE CALL UPON YOU, TO HELP OUR
COMMUNITY, WHEN THEY ARE IN
GREATEST NEED AND CRISIS, AND I
THANK YOU FOR THE ROLES YOU
PLAY, THERE. I DO WANT TO JUST
-- YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS OFTEN
CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC TO
UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT ROLES,
AND WE ARE BUILDING SOMETHING
NEW HERE AND THAT TAKES TIME,
AND EFFORT, AND COLLABORATION.
AND SO, I THANK YOU FOR THE HARD
WORK OF CREATING SOMETHING NEW,
HERE. AND I BELIEVE THE
COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE IMPROVED
RESPONSE AND THEY WANT TO SEE US
ALL WORKING TOGETHER, ELECTEDS,
OUR DEPARTMENTS, AND SO, I WANT
TO COMMIT TO DOING ANYTHING I
CAN TO HELP IN THAT REGARD. JUST
ONE QUESTION ON THE BARGAINING,
I HAVE HEARD THAT YOU KNOW, WE
DIDN'T NEED TO DO SORT OF
BARGAINING IN THE SAME WAY TO
CREATE THE SAME HEALTH ONE OR
HEALTH 99 SYSTEMS, SO I'M JUST
WONDERING, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE
IS FOR BARGAINING AND, YOU KNOW,
IF WE NEED -- MAYBE THIS IS
BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE CAN
TALK ABOUT, OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE
SESSION, BUT IF THERE IS
ANYTHING YOU CAN SHARE, JUST IN
TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHY WE ARE
ABLE TO DO SO MUCH AND EXPAND
911 OR CREATE THAT WITHOUT
HAVING TO DO THE EXTENSIVE
BARGAINING AND I GUESS I WILL
JUST SAY ONE LAST POINT, TO THE
EXTENT THAT WE NEED TO GO FOR
LEGISLATIVE RELIEF AT THIS
STAGE, WITH OUR STATE
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEES, PLEASE,
YOU KNOW, WORK CLOSELY WITH
THEM. AND AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE TO
WORK WITH YOU, ALL, TO MAKE SURE
THAT IF WE NEED AMENDMENTS TOWER
STATE CODE TO ALLOW THIS, WE
SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING THAT.
>> MS. HOLCOMB, START WITH YOU?
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, CHIEF, WE
WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE,
FIRST, COUNCILMEMBER LIN, THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INVITATION
TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES. I DO
THINK THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT
WE CAN DO UNDER LABOR LAW AND
WITH THIS CONTRACT IN PARTICULAR
ARE BETTER LEFT TO EXECUTIVE
SESSION. SO, THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> JUST REAL QUICK,
COUNCILMEMBER LIN, IN THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT, WE DID BARGAIN WITH
OUR LABOR GROUPS, WHEN WE
LAUNCHED HEALTH ONE, AS WE
EXPANDED HEALTH ONE, AS WE ADDED
HEALTH 99, AS WE ADDED HEALTH
98, AND WE ALSO BARGAINED WITH
THE CASE MANAGERS AND THEIR
LABOR GROUPS, SO WE DID DO ALL
THE BARGAINING ON THE WORK THAT
IS BEING PROVIDED IN THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT.
>> AND I WILL JUST SIMPLY ADD
THAT IT IS CONFUSING TO
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BECAUSE THERE
IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT
THERE. ONE OF THOSE
MISINFORMATION'S IS THAT THE
CHIEF OF POLICE IS INVOLVED IN
BARGAINING, OR THAT I AM A
MEMBER OF THE POLICE UNION.
NEITHER ARE CORRECT. BUT, I DID
TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO
THE NEW, INCOMING SPOG MEMBER
JUST YESTERDAY, AND HE INFORMED
ME, AND HE SAID, I CAN SAY THIS
PUBLICLY, THAT THEY SUPPORT
C.A.R.E., BUT THEY WANT TO ABIDE
BY THE MOU, OR THE AGREEMENT.
THAT'S IT. IF THE AGREEMENT OR
THE MOU IS CHANGED, BY WHATEVER
PROCESS THAT MAY BE, THEN OUR
OFFICERS WILL ABIDE BY THAT.
THAT IS HIS STATEMENT, TO ME.
AND I SAID, DO YOU MIND IF I
SHARE THAT? AND HE SAYS, YOU
KNOW, FINE. SO, I DID TAKE IT
UPON MYSELF TO SPEAK WITH HIM
BECAUSE I HAD CONCERNS, MYSELF,
THAT THERE WAS NOT SUPPORT. AND
WHEN HE TOLD ME THAT THERE
WASN'T SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, I HAD
NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO LISTEN.
>> THANK YOU. ALWAYS IMPORTANT
TO ADDRESS MISINFORMATION. AT
THE BEGINNING OF THIS, AT THE
END OF IT. NOW, COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK
YOU, ALL, FOR BEING HERE, AND IN
THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M JUST
GOING TO -- I WILL FOLLOW-UP
SEPARATELY WITH QUESTIONS -- BUT
I WILL JUST SAY, PUBLICLY, YOU
KNOW, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF
WORKING WITH EACH OF THESE
DEPARTMENTS, I HAVE HAD THE
PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH CHIEF
SCOGGINS FOR NINE YEARS, NOW, IN
MY PRIOR ROLES, AND I AM SO
HONORED TO WORK WITH CHIEF
SCOGGINS AND HIS ENTIRE TEAM AT
SFD. THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO,
IN GENERAL, AND THEN WITH HEALTH
99, AND YOUR HEALTH 98 ARE
INVALUABLE, AND I SEE AND WE
MEET REGULARLY, I SEE THE VALUE
THAT YOU HAD, SO I JUST WANT TO
THANK YOU, AND UNDERSCORE THAT.
C.A.R.E., THERE IS SOME FOLKS IN
THE AUDIENCE THAT I HAVE HAD THE
PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH, LIKE
JACOB, AND KAT, AND AMONTE, AND
I REALLY THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY
ONCE C.A.R.E. WAS EXPANDED INTO
THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE
C.A.R.E. IN THE UNIVERSITY
DISTRICT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN A
REALLY GREAT RESOURCE IN THE U
DISTRICT. I LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH THE
TEAM. I THANKED THEM FOR -- I
HAVE HAD WALKS, COMMUNITY WALKS,
PUBLIC SAFETY WALKS, THAT THEY
HAVE JOINED AND I AM VERY
APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO FIGURING OUT WAYS
THAT WE CAN EXPAND C.A.R.E.
OUTREACH THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT
BECAUSE I HEAR A LOT FROM
CONSTITUENTS THAT NEED HELP
WERE, I THINK, I SEE THAT
C.A.R.E. COULD BE HELPFUL, EVEN
NOW, EVEN WITH THE CURRENT MOU
IN PLACE. SO, CHIEF BARDEN, YOU
KNOW YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED
THAT AND I STILL LOOK FORWARD TO
LEARNING MORE ABOUT WAYS THAT WE
CAN HELP THE DISTRICT THAT WAY.
I WILL SAY, CHIEF BARDEN, YOUR
COMMENT ABOUT, WE HAVE BECOME
DESENSITIZED, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE
HAVE, I HAVE NOT, AND I DON'T
THINK ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAS.
SO, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO
RECOGNIZE, SO THAT IS, PERHAPS,
HAVE COME INTO CONTACT WITH
FOLKS THAT ARE DESENSITIZED, I
WILL TELL YOU, FOLKS IN MY
DISTRICT ARE NOT AND I AM NOT.
SO, THAT IS IMPORTANT, AND I
JUST CAUTION US TO MAKE BROAD
STATEMENTS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE
THEN WE EXCLUDE OTHER PEOPLE. WE
ARE ALL GRAPPLING WITH HOW TO
BEST HELP EVERYBODY IN OUR
COMMUNITY, AND WHEN MY
CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT TO FIND A
FIX OR 911, THEY ARE EQUALLY
CARING ABOUT WHAT THAT
INDIVIDUAL NEEDS, AND WHEN I
TALKED TO CONSTITUENTS
ONE-ON-ONE, THEY ARE ALWAYS
ASKING ME ABOUT, WHAT CAN WE
PROVIDE BY WAY OF HELP, TO THESE
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EITHER
EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES, OR DRUG ADDICTION?
WHICH, WE ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH,
ON THE TREATMENT SIDE IN THE
CITY, AND I KNOW THAT OUR
COLLEAGUE, FORMER COUNCILMEMBER
SARAH NELSON, PUT TREATMENT
DOLLARS IN, BUT THAT IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT HAS TRADITIONALLY
BEEN DONE AT THE CITY AND THAT
IS SOMETHING THAT, OBVIOUSLY, WE
NEED AS A PART OF ALL OF THIS.
AND THEN LASTLY, CHIEF BARDEN,
YOU AND I MEET REGULARLY, I AM
SO APPRECIATIVE. I WILL SAY THAT
-- AND COLLEAGUES, YOU HAVE
HEARD ME SAY THAT IN THE VEIN
OF, CHIEF, I APPRECIATE YOUR
STATING YOUR LIVED EXPERIENCE,
AND IN THAT BEING, I JUST AM SO
GRATEFUL TO SPD, AS A MOM IN
INGRAM, WHOSE KIDS WERE
WONDERING DURING A SCHOOL
SHOOTING THERE HOW QUICKLY SPD
AND NORTH PRECINCT RESPONDED TO
THAT. I WILL FOREVER, AS A
PARENT -- NOT ONLY AS A
COUNCILMEMBER WHO REPRESENTS THE
DISTRICT THAT IS SERVICED BY
NORTH PRECINCT -- BUT AS A
PARENT AT INGRAM HIGH SCHOOL, I
DID NOT KNOW IF MY KIDS WERE
ALIVE, OR NOT. I CAN TELL YOU, I
AM SO GRATEFUL FOR THE FAST
ACTION THAT NORTH PRECINCT TOOK,
AND FOR THE FACT THAT, SADLY,
THERE WAS ONE KILLING OF A
STUDENT THERE, OF A CHILD,
SOMEBODY'S CHILD. I CANNOT
IMPRESS UPON YOU THE BURDEN OF
CARING, BOTH THE RELIEF THAT MY
KIDS WERE WALKED OUT OF THERE
ALIVE, AND IN THE FACT THAT A
CHILD DID NOT, AND NOW IN
ANOTHER CHILD IS NOW IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BECAUSE
OF IT. THAT IS -- AND AS A WOMAN
OF COLOR, AS A LATINO WOMEN WHO
GREW UP IN THE INNER-CITY IN NEW
YORK CITY, IN THE BRONX, WHERE
THERE ARE MOVIES ABOUT MY
NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BRONX, AND
JUST THE BOROUGH, I SHOULD SAY,
IN THE BRONX, EVERYBODY KNOWS
HOW UNSAFE IT IS TO COME ALL THE
WAY TO SEATTLE AND EXPERIENCE
THAT, IT'S HEARTBREAKING, FOR
ME. SO, I WANT TO THANK SPD FOR
THE SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDE. I
AGREE, THERE'S PLENTY OF WORK
TO GO AROUND, AND WE NEED TO
WORK TOGETHER. AND SO, WHAT I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, WORKING
TOGETHER, LESS ACCUSATORY
LANGUAGE, AND HOW CAN YOU BE,
YOU KNOW, A PERSON OF CHANGE? TO
REALLY WORK TOGETHER, TO MAKE
THINGS HAPPEN. SO, RATHER THAN
CONSTANTLY POINTING OUT, MAYBE,
THE NEGATIVE, AND WHAT IS NOT
GOING WELL, LET'S HEAR ABOUT
WHAT IS GOING WELL, AND HOW YOU
CAN HELP MAKE THINGS BETTER.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY
CONSTANTLY HARD TO HEAR, "THIS
ISN'T GOING WELL, THIS ISN'T
GOING WELL," WE KNOW IT IS NOT
GOING WELL. HOW CAN WE DO
BETTER? AND SO, WITH ALL OF YOU,
BECAUSE YOU ARE PART OF THIS
SOLUTION TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
PROBLEMS, I WANT TO SEE, YOU
KNOW, HOW CAN WE DO EVEN BETTER
THAN WE ARE DOING? BECAUSE I
THINK, EACH OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS
IS PROVIDING A HUGE SERVICE TO
THIS CITY, AND IT IS HELPING. WE
SEE CRIME DOWN ACROSS THE CITY.
WE SEE OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS
GETTING MORE HELP, SO HOW CAN WE
DO EVEN BETTER, IS IN THE SPACE
I CONSTANTLY WANT TO BE IN,
BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS POSITIVE
SPACE AND IS A SPACE THAT IS
REALLY GOING TO HELP OUR
CONSTITUENTS IN THIS CITY. THANK
YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA. OKAY, COUNCILMEMBER
FOSTER?
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. I
HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR
DIFFERENT FOLKS ON THE PANEL,
BUT FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU TO EACH OF YOU, CHIEFS, FOR
THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH US TODAY
AND FOR THE BRIEFINGS ON THE
TYPES OF VARIOUS RESPONSES WE
HAVE IN THE CITY. I WANT TO
START WITH, CHIEF SCOGGINS, I'M
REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT THE
UPDATES FROM HEALTH 99, AND IN
PARTICULAR WITH HAVING THE ORCA
CENTER ONLINE AND HEARING HOW
THAT IS ALREADY MAKING AN
IMPACT, SO I JUST WANT TO
COMMEND YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT
ON THAT, FIRST. AND THEN, I WANT
TO ASK, JUST FOR CLARITY, IS IT
CORRECT THAT THERE ARE NO
RESTRICTIONS ON WHERE HEALTH 99
CAN RESPOND IN THE CITY?
>> YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
>> AND IS IT CORRECT, THAT
HEALTH 99 IS AN UNARMED CIVILIAN
RESPONSE?
>> NOT EXACTLY. IT IS
FIREFIGHTERS AND CASE MANAGERS.
SO, ONE CIVILIAN AND
FIREFIGHTERS ARE ON THAT UNIT.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE
CLARIFICATION. I APPRECIATE
THAT. I KNOW I HEARD THAT
EARLIER IN THE PANEL AND THAT
WAS A POINT OF CONFUSION FOR ME,
BUT THEY ARE UNARMED?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. WE DON'T
CARRY FIREARMS IN THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT.
>> CORRECT, OKAY. THE REASON I
ASK THAT -- AND I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING
THIS DISCUSSION AROUND THE
C.A.R.E. TEAM AND THE LOCATIONS
THAT THE C.A.R.E. TEAM CAN GO.
AND NO MATTER WHAT WE THINK
ABOUT IF ANY OF THE PRESENTERS
ARE BEING POSITIVE OR BEING
NEGATIVE IN THEIR RESPONSES, I
DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT MY
UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOU IS THAT
CRs FROM THE C.A.R.E. TEAM
CANNOT BE DISPATCHED IN AREAS
THAT ARE A KNOWN HAZARD, THAT
THEY CANNOT BE DISPATCHED IN
AREAS WHERE THERE IS VISIBLE
NARCOTIC PARAPHERNALIA, THAT
THEY CANNOT BE DISPATCHED IN
PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN THE
SUBJECT OF A CALL THAT IS
LOCATED IN OPEN, PUBLIC -- OR,
EXCUSE ME, IT HAS TO BE IN AN
OPEN, PUBLIC LOCATION, SO THOSE
ARE RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE PLACED
ON ONE FORM OF OUR UNARMED
CIVILIAN RESPONSE THAT WE HAVE
NOT PLACED ON OTHER FORMS OF OUR
UNARMED CIVILIAN RESPONSE, IS
THAT CORRECT? ANY PANELIST CAN
ANSWER THIS, JUST FOR
CLARIFICATION. SORRY, AYE.
SEVEN.
>> AND I SHOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE
CLARITY, HERE. SO, WE CAN GO
ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, BUT WE
HAVE PROTOCOLS ESTABLISHED, WHEN
THINGS GO SIDEWAYS. WHEN WE CALL
FOR HELP. SO, WE HAVE THREE
DIFFERENT LEVELS. WE HAVE AN
EXPEDITE PROTOCOL, AND WE WILL
CALL C.A.R.E. AND THEY WILL
DISPATCH SPD TO THE SCENE, AND
THAT IS A SINGLE OFFICER. WE
HAVE A FAST BACKUP PROTOCOL
RESPONSE, WHEN WE ARE ON SCENE.
IT CAN BE A MEDICAL CALL, IT CAN
BE HEALTHONE, IT CAN BE ANY
CALL. WE WILL GET MORE SUPPORT
FROM SPD, AND THEN WE HAVE A
THIRD PROTOCOL, CALLED "HELP THE
FIREFIGHTER." THAT MEANS, IF
THINGS HAVE GONE SIDEWAYS, AND
THERE IS PROBABLY A PHYSICAL
ALTERCATION TAKING PLACE AND THE
FIREFIGHTERS ARE TRYING TO GET
TO A SAFE PLACE OF REFUGE, EVERY
MONTH, WE HAVE MULTIPLE EXPEDITE
AND FAST BACKUP RESPONSES
THROUGHOUT THE CITY. LESS
FREQUENT ARE THE HELP THE
FIREFIGHTERS. FIREFIGHTERS ARE
CALLED TO DE-ESCALATE, WE HAVE A
SENSE OF TRUST WITH THE
COMMUNITY. SO, THERE WILL BE
THOSE SITUATIONS, WHERE YOU DO
NEED SPD TO HELP, SO I DON'T
WANT ANYONE TO LEAVE THINKING
THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO
CHALLENGES OUT THERE. I MEAN, A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, YOU MAY
REMEMBER YOU PASSED THE
ORDINANCE TO HELP US ON SCENE
BECAUSE FIREFIGHTERS WERE FACING
A LOT OF CHALLENGES AND HOW IT
IS A MISDEMEANOR TO IMPACT THE
FIREFIGHTER WHEN THEY ARE TRYING
TO PROVIDE EMS C.A.R.E., OR JUST
TO PUT A FIRE OUT. AND SO, NOW,
WE HAVE A TOOL THAT CAN HELP
WITH THAT. AND THAT IS
IMPORTANT.
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF SCOGGINS.
LET ME JUST CLARIFY, I DIDN'T
MEAN TO IMPLY THAT FIREFIGHTERS
DON'T NEED THE SUPPORT, BUT I
DO WANT TO GET THE CHANCE TO
HEAR THOSE PROTOCOLS THAT YOU
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH, AND
I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR US TO HEAR, TO SORT OF
UNDERSTAND THOSE MECHANISMS THAT
WE HAVE ALREADY LEARNED ABOUT,
TO HAVE DIFFERENT KIND OF
EXPEDITED RESPONSE. SO, WANTED
TO CLARIFY THAT, AND THANK YOU
FOR THAT. CHIEF BARDEN, DID YOU
WANT TO RESPOND?
>> YES, THAT IS THE ELEGANCE OF
THE DESIGN, C.A.R.E. RESPONDERS
ARE INTEGRATED IN THE CAD AND
RMS THE SAME AS POLICE AND FIRE,
AND I HAVE BECOME A LOUD,
NATIONAL ADVOCATE FOR THAT
DESIGN, FOR EXACTLY THE REASONS
CHIEF JUST EXPLAINED. THE
C.A.R.E. RESPONDERS, SHOULD THEY
PROCEED AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
SCENE IS NOT AS SECURE AS THEY
THOUGHT, THEY CAN RADIO, SAME
PROTOCOLS HELP THE C.A.R.E.
RESPONDER AND GET PRECISELY THE
SAME RESULT, SO I THINK THAT IS
REALLY, REALLY VITAL, TO GOOD
DESIGN. WHAT IS MORE COMMON
AROUND THE COUNTRY IS THAT YOU
OUTSOURCE THE 911 CALL TO A
NONPROFIT, AND THEN YOU LOSE
THAT PROVISION IN THAT
INTEGRATION.
>> THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING I
WANTED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT --
JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT AND
THANK YOU, CHIEF BARDEN -- IS
MORE ABOUT THE CRITERIA BASED
DISPATCH AND THAT SEEMS LIKE
WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT RIGHT
NOW, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST
EXPLAIN A BIT MORE?
>> YEAH, THE SIMPLE FEATURE
STATE WILL BE, DO WE NEED A GUN
AND A BADGE? IS THERE A
SCIENTIFIC, EVIDENCE-BASED
REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED
THAT, BASED ON THAT? DO YOU
THINK THAT THIS MIGHT END UP AT
THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT OR
THERE MIGHT BE A FIRE? WE WOULD
SEND THAT UNIT. IF NEITHER, YOU
WOULD SEND A CIVILIAN UNIT. SO,
THAT IS, I WOULD SAY, WIDELY AND
HIGH WALLS. WE ARE STARTING TO
WORK NEW TECHNOLOGY INTO CALL
CENTERS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE ONE OF THE EXPERTS,
INTERNATIONALLY, ACTUALLY, IN
THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
WHO TALKS ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW,
HOW DO WE USE EVERYTHING THAT
COULD BE KNOWN ABOUT A CALL OR A
LOCATION TO BETTER PREDICT WHAT
IS NEEDED? AND THEN, I OFTEN
TEACH THAT -- THIS IS ALL
FUNDAMENTALLY SUBJECTIVE. A 911
CALL IS PREMISED IN WHAT
SOMEBODY THINKS THEY ARE SEEING
OR WHAT THEY THINK THEY ARE
OBSERVING IN A GIVEN MOMENT OF
TIME THAT IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY
IMPERFECT, SO THAT IS WHY THE
CALL TYPES ARE PROBLEMATIC. WE
OFTEN SEE SOMETHING, "OH, IT IS
A TRESPASS?" IT WASN'T A
TRESPASS, IT WAS A MAN WITH
DEMENTIA WHO COULDN'T REMEMBER
WHERE HIS HOUSE WAS, RIGHT? IT
KIND OF MISCONSTRUES THAT
REALITY, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M
TALKING ABOUT, GETTING MORE
SIMPLE ABOUT, WHAT IS A MENTAL
HEALTH CALL? THIS YEAR, I THINK
IN ABOUT 90 DAYS, YOU WILL CALL
SEATTLE 911 AND YOU LOOK AT THE
OPTIONS, POLICE, FIRE, MEDIC, OR
MENTAL HEALTH. AND IF YOU SAY,
"MENTAL HEALTH," THEN WE ARE
GOING TO START THEIR AND WE WILL
BACK INTO, PERHAPS THERE IS ALSO
A NEED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF BARDEN.
>> YEAH, I WILL ALSO AGREE WITH
THAT WAS JUST THE CAVEAT THAT
MANY OF THE CALLS ARE ACTUALLY
CHANGED, AND I AM SURE WE CAN
GET YOU DATA ON HOW MANY CALLS
TURN OUT TO BE ONE THING, BUT
THEY TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS DOWNGRADED.
SOME CALLS ARE UPGRADED. AND SO,
I HAVE BEEN TO CALLS BEFORE
WHERE IT WAS DEMENTIA, BUT WHEN
I GOT THERE, THERE WAS A GUN
STUCK IN MY STOMACH BECAUSE
SOMEBODY THOUGHT THERE WAS
SOMEONE IN THEIR HOME AND YOU
HAVE TO DISARM THEM AND KIND OF
CALM THEM DOWN AND TRY TO FIGURE
OUT WHERE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE AND
THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, IT IS
UNPREDICTABLE, AND SO, THE ISSUE
WITH THE CRITERIA IS, LET'S
HOPE THAT WE ARE RIGHT AND THAT
WE DON'T NEED A BADGE AND GUN.
BUT, I AM ALSO ALWAYS HEARING
THAT, FROM TIME TO TIME, ABOUT A
BADGE AND GUN, SO I WANT TO TALK
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POLICE
EXPERIENCE. MOST POLICE OFFICERS
THAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM AND
WORK WITH, THEY WANT TO SERVE
THEIR COMMUNITY, TOO. AND SIMPLY
HAVING A BADGE AND GUN DOESN'T
MEAN THAT WE DON'T C.A.R.E..
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T
HAVE CHILDREN WITH AUTISM,
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T
HAVE PARENTS THAT ARE SUFFERING
FROM DEMENTIA, AND WE WANT TO
SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE
EVERYONE ELSE. JUST BECAUSE WE
HAVE A BADGE AND A GUN, DOESN'T
MEAN THAT WE SHOULD BE RELEGATED
TO CERTAIN TYPES OF CALLS, NO
WONDER I HAVE WORKED WITH OR
THAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM GOT
INTO THIS JOB TO USE HANDCUFFS
AND A GUN ON WORK. WE HOPE THAT
WE NEVER HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT,
THERE IS A SENSE OF, JUST,
FULFILLMENT FROM HELPING PEOPLE
AND THE COMMUNITY AND I HOPE
THAT IS NEVER TAKEN AWAY FROM
US.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU
SO MUCH AND I WANT TO CLARIFY,
MY INTENT IN ASKING THESE
QUESTIONS IS REALLY AROUND
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE
RIGHT RESPONSE TO THE RIGHT CALL
AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL SHARE
THAT DESIRE, IT IS CERTAINLY NOT
ABOUT IMPLYING ANYTHING ABOUT
THE DESIRE, THE HEART, AND THE
SERVICE THAT COME FROM OUR
OFFICERS AT FPD, SO I REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT, CHIEF, AND I
WANT TO CLARIFY MY INTENT,
THERE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL
TURN TO MY QUESTION FOR YOU AND
I APPRECIATE YOU, CHAIR, FOR THE
FLEXIBILITY, HERE. CHIEF, CAN
YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE
TRAINING THAT THE CSOS GET? I
WAS HEARING A LITTLE BIT SORT OF
AROUND THE MENTAL HEALTH
TRAINING AND THE OTHER PLACES
AND I'M NOT SURE I CAUGHT THAT,
WITH REGARD TO THE CSOS.
>> SURE, COUNCILMEMBERS, SO THE
CSOS, WHEN THEY FIRST APPLY,
THEY ACTUALLY GO THROUGH A FIELD
TRAINING PROGRAM WHERE THEY
ACTUALLY LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THEY ALSO GET
SOME TRAINING, IN THE FORM OF
CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING,
BECAUSE THEY OFTEN ENCOUNTER
PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM
MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. AND SO,
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF THINGS SO,
I BELIEVE IT IS REPRESENTATIVE
THAT WE ONTO THE NEEDS OF OUR
DISTRICT BUT WE SERVE THE CITY
AND THE PEOPLE OF SEATTLE AND
THAT MY VOTE WEIGHS JUST AS MUCH
AS A COUNCILMEMBER, ALEXIS
MERCEDES RANK AND COUNCIL MEMBER
DION FOSTER, WHO ARE ELECTED AT
LARGE, AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO
NOTE THAT. BUT, I DO WANT TO
THANK ALISON HOLCOMB FOR BEING
HERE, I RECOGNIZE HER FOR HER
LEADERSHIP COMMITMENT, THE ACLU,
CHIEF BARDEN, CHIEF SCOGGINS,
BEEN WORKING WITH HIM FOR A
DECADE AND CHIEF BARNES, THE
WORK WE HAVE DONE TOGETHER SINCE
YOU HAVE GOTTEN HERE, THERE ARE
A FEW POINTS I WANT TO MAKE,
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, CHIEF
BARDEN, FOR POINTING OUT THAT
911 CALLS THAT ORIGINATE IN
POLICING AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT,
AND I THINK WHEN WE MOVE 911 IN
2021, OUT OF SPD, THAT THAT WAS
SOME STEP IN THAT RECOGNITION,
THAT IN 2020, WE WANTED TO MAKE
THOSE CHANGES. IS IT PERFECT?
NO. DO WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO?
ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THAT IS
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET AT. I
THINK PEOPLE ALSO FORGET THAT,
YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE HISTORY OF
POLICE DEPARTMENTS, I UNDERSTAND
THE ORIGIN OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS
FROM THE 1860S, I GET IT, BUT
YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S 250 YEARS
AGO. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT
RIGHT. WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE
RIGHT THING. WE DON'T ALWAYS
GET IT RIGHT, BUT THE FACT THAT
WE HAVE YOU HERE, CHIEF BARDEN,
AND WE NOW HAVE THIS TEAM, THIS
HOLISTIC TEAM, THAT POLICING HAS
CHANGED, 2020, THE CONSENT
DECREE, ALL OF THAT IN THE LAST
DECADE I HAVE BEEN AROUND, AND
THIS IS A HISTORICAL
PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE COME A LONG
WAY, BUT WE DO NEED TO GO
FURTHER AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT YOU KNOW THAT I HEARD YOU,
LOUD AND CLEAR, AND ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT A LABOR AGREEMENT CAN BE,
AND HAS BEEN, RESTRICTIVE AND
THE MESSAGE HAS BEEN RECEIVED.
AND THAT IS PROBABLY ALL I CAN
SAY BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THESE
ARE COLLECTIVE-BARGAINING
AGREEMENTS AND THESE ARE DONE
WITH ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE.
AND I HAVE DONE THIS WITH THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, AND THE OTHER UNIONS
THAT BELONG TO THE CITY. SO, I
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD
WORK, AND HELP ALL OF YOU, I
WILL MAKE OUR CITY SAFER, TAKE
C.A.R.E. OF OUR RELATIVES AND
OUR NEIGHBORS EVERYWHERE, AND
JUST ECHO SOME OF THE SENTIMENT
THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SHARED
WITH YOU TODAY. AND ALSO, JUST
SAY THIS ON A PERSONAL NOTE, YOU
KNOW, I HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG
TIME AS A FORMER PUBLIC
DEFENDER, A JUDGE, I HAVE TWO
NEPHEWS THAT ARE POLICE
OFFICERS. I WAS AROUND FOR
DEFUND THE POLICE, AND YOU KNOW,
I GET IT. BUT, AT THE END OF THE
DAY, WE HAVE A CHARTER, AND WE
HAVE CITY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS
IMPORTANT, AND YOU ARE RIGHT,
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A GUN
AND A BADGE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT
THEY ARE GOING TO USE IT,
DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T
HAVE COMPASSION, AND SOMETIMES,
THEY DON'T. TRUST ME. I HAVE
BEEN A PUBLIC DEFENDER. I'M
JUST GOING TO SAY THIS, CHIEF,
YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS, TOO, BUT
JUST TO CLOSEOUT, HERE --
WITNESSES LIE. COPS LIVE. I HAVE
CROSS-EXAMINED THEM. I GET IT.
BUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO. NOBODY
IS PERFECT. I DON'T EXPECT
THAT. BUT, WHAT I DO EXPECT IS
THAT INTEGRITY, HUMILITY,
SAFETY, AND A WILLINGNESS TO
CHANGE ACTUAL COMMUNITY POLICING
INTO PROTECTING AND SERVING
BECAUSE I THINK THAT SHOULD BE
FIRST AND FOREMOST. THANK YOU,
MR. CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ. I JUST WANT TO THANK MS.
HOLCOMB, ASSISTANT OPERATIONS
MANAGER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, CHIEF
SCOGGINS, CHIEF BARDEN, CHIEF
BARNES, ASSISTANT CHIEF DAVIS.
THE REASON WHY WE SCHEDULED THIS
MEETING, THIS WAY, I THINK NOW,
IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, AGAIN,
IT'S NOT BY ACCIDENT AND I SAID
THIS IN '24, IN '25, CHIEF
BARDEN, THERE ARE ALWAYS
ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE
AND I DON'T LOOK AT THIS
NEGATIVELY BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN
HERE BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE THE
CHANGES, CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A LESSONS
LEARNED MENTALITY WHERE WE LOOK
AT IT AND WE SAY, OKAY, WE NEED
TO ADJUST, WE NEED TO DO THIS,
AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING
FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, LOOKING BACK
AND PULLING BACK, OH, HERE IS
THE NEXT THING THAT NEEDS TO BE
WORKED. AND OUR STRATEGIC
FRAMEWORK PLAN GIVES US, YOU
KNOW, A PLAN FOR THIS. AND MY
INTENTION -- AGAIN, NOT BY
ACCIDENT -- MY INTENTION IS TO
WORK WITH MAYOR WILSON. I THINK
THERE ARE WINS, HERE. I THINK WE
CAN WORK THESE PIECES. CHIEF
BARNES, I APPRECIATE THE POINTS
YOU HAVE MADE, VERY IMPORTANT TO
BE MADE. SO, WE NEED TO ADDRESS
THE SCENE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN
PUBLIC SAFETY, AND PUBLIC
HEALTH, AND HOUSING, AND HUMAN
SERVICES. WE NEED TO WORK THESE
PIECES. WE NEED TO HAVE A
FUNCTIONING CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM. ALL OF THESE PIECES,
KING COUNTY JAIL, WE NEED TO
WORK THESE THINGS. WITHIN THAT
WORLD, TOO, FIXING ORDINANCES, I
MENTIONED EARLY ON, HEY, WE NEED
TO FIX ORDINANCES, WE DID IT
WITH POLICE CHIEF INVESTIGATIONS
-- NOT RELATED TO OUR CURRENT
CHIEF -- CRIME NUISANCE
PROPERTIES AND THESE, AND I SAID
THIS, WE HAVE OIG HERE, WE NEED
TO WORK PUBLIC DRUG USE AND
POSSESSION BILL, SO MUCH HAS
CHANGED. WE HAVE C.A.R.E.
DEPARTMENT NOW, WE HAVE ALL
THESE DIFFERENT PIECES. WE HAVE
PDA THAT IS NOW UNDER C.A.R.E.
DEPARTMENT, WE DELIVER C.A.R.E.
-- SO, YOU NEED TO WORK THESE
PIECES, YOU WE NEED TO DO IT
COLLABORATIVELY AND I THINK WE
WILL GET THERE AND I WANT TO
THANK, BY THE WAY, TO CLOSE,
EVERYONE BEHIND YOU, THE FOLKS
FROM C.A.R.E., FROM VARIOUS
DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE PDA
SIDE, AS WELL, WE DELIVER
C.A.R.E. -- EVERYBODY THAT IS
HERE, PUBLIC COMMENTERS, BECAUSE
WE NE