1 00:00:03,336 --> 00:00:06,172 - Good afternoon. 2 00:00:06,873 --> 00:00:09,843 Thank you. 3 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:13,213 Thank you all for, joining me here today. 4 00:00:14,881 --> 00:00:16,716 Sometimes as the mayor, 5 00:00:16,716 --> 00:00:19,619 you make decisions that no one's going to like. 6 00:00:19,619 --> 00:00:21,488 This might be one of those. We'll see. 7 00:00:21,488 --> 00:00:24,858 So I'm here today to announce my decision about the city's surveillance 8 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:26,793 pilot project. 9 00:00:26,793 --> 00:00:29,496 This is a decision about more than cameras. 10 00:00:29,496 --> 00:00:32,699 It's about how we approach public safety, how we build trust, 11 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:36,269 and how we show up for communities across the city. 12 00:00:36,436 --> 00:00:38,805 And it's important that we get it right. 13 00:00:38,805 --> 00:00:41,808 So I want to start by establishing where things stand today. 14 00:00:42,475 --> 00:00:44,310 In April of 2025, 15 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:47,414 Seattle launched the Real-Time Crime Center, or RTCC, 16 00:00:48,014 --> 00:00:50,417 with 62 police CCTV cameras 17 00:00:50,417 --> 00:00:54,187 located in three areas downtown along Aurora 18 00:00:54,187 --> 00:00:57,190 Avenue North and in the Chinatown International District. 19 00:00:58,324 --> 00:01:00,994 This was presented as a pilot program. 20 00:01:00,994 --> 00:01:03,997 The Technology Assisted Public Safety Pilot program. 21 00:01:04,531 --> 00:01:07,801 The legislation authorizing the installation of these cameras 22 00:01:07,801 --> 00:01:11,271 and the creation of the RTCC included a commitment 23 00:01:11,271 --> 00:01:14,274 to evaluate this pilot once it was implemented, 24 00:01:15,008 --> 00:01:17,510 before any evaluation was completed. 25 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:21,181 A decision was made late last year by the previous mayor and council 26 00:01:21,648 --> 00:01:24,984 to expand the program to include three additional neighborhoods 27 00:01:25,618 --> 00:01:29,355 the Stadium District, the area in the Central District around Garfield 28 00:01:29,355 --> 00:01:32,358 High School, and the Capitol Hill nightlife district. 29 00:01:33,460 --> 00:01:37,497 I expressed my concerns about this expansion during last year's campaign. 30 00:01:38,798 --> 00:01:40,633 So as we stand here today, 31 00:01:40,633 --> 00:01:43,770 none of the cameras that are intended for the pilots expansion 32 00:01:44,003 --> 00:01:47,807 have yet been installed, turned on, or connected to the RTCC. 33 00:01:48,708 --> 00:01:51,711 In fact, they have yet to even be received from axon. 34 00:01:51,878 --> 00:01:53,646 The vendor used by the city's program. 35 00:01:54,981 --> 00:01:55,782 So what we have in 36 00:01:55,782 --> 00:01:58,785 front of us is not a fully implemented program, 37 00:01:58,818 --> 00:02:02,822 but a pilot, which was expanded before many policies had been formalized 38 00:02:03,156 --> 00:02:06,159 and before its outcomes have been evaluated. 39 00:02:08,828 --> 00:02:11,831 I want to acknowledge that this is a controversial issue. 40 00:02:11,898 --> 00:02:15,368 For some people, seeing CCTV cameras in the neighborhood 41 00:02:15,368 --> 00:02:19,072 where they live or work or attend school makes them feel safer. 42 00:02:19,839 --> 00:02:23,309 For others, those same cameras make them feel less safe. 43 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:28,081 Those feelings are important because our quality of life is partly 44 00:02:28,081 --> 00:02:30,984 about our feelings of safety, or lack thereof, 45 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:33,353 and our sense that our city is a welcoming place 46 00:02:33,353 --> 00:02:36,689 that is designed with consideration for our well-being and our humanity. 47 00:02:38,057 --> 00:02:39,993 But precisely because different people 48 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:42,996 and different communities experience the cameras differently. 49 00:02:43,263 --> 00:02:46,132 It's important to base a decision on more than feelings. 50 00:02:46,132 --> 00:02:49,235 It's important to ground our actions in a thorough understanding 51 00:02:49,802 --> 00:02:51,804 of how the cameras are being used. 52 00:02:51,804 --> 00:02:55,542 Of the public benefits they are providing, and of any harm they are causing 53 00:02:55,542 --> 00:02:56,342 or could cause. 54 00:02:57,644 --> 00:02:58,244 I believe in 55 00:02:58,244 --> 00:03:02,182 approaching governance deliberately, and I did not want to rush this decision. 56 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:05,285 Before my team had been able to visit the real time Crime Center 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,456 review data retention policies, explore any potential vulnerabilities. 58 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:13,526 Listen to people on every side of this issue 59 00:03:13,526 --> 00:03:17,130 and engage with the Community Police Commission, the Seattle Police Department, 60 00:03:17,664 --> 00:03:20,667 and other privacy and civil liberty experts. 61 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,503 Today I'm ready to announce my path forward, 62 00:03:23,503 --> 00:03:25,171 and then I'm going to share a bit of context 63 00:03:25,171 --> 00:03:28,374 about how the program operates and how I came to my decision. 64 00:03:28,975 --> 00:03:31,544 And then we'll have time for some questions. 65 00:03:31,544 --> 00:03:33,546 So here's what I've decided. 66 00:03:33,546 --> 00:03:36,549 First, I'm pausing expansion of this pilot 67 00:03:36,849 --> 00:03:39,953 until we have completed a privacy and data governance audit 68 00:03:40,587 --> 00:03:43,623 and taken significant steps to strengthen our policies. 69 00:03:45,291 --> 00:03:46,459 In the meantime, 70 00:03:46,459 --> 00:03:49,596 the RTCC will continue to operate and existing 71 00:03:49,596 --> 00:03:52,599 cameras will remain in place. 72 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:55,168 There are two specific circumstances where I am 73 00:03:55,168 --> 00:03:57,704 making additional targeted decisions. 74 00:03:57,704 --> 00:04:00,373 First, given the unique nature 75 00:04:00,373 --> 00:04:03,710 of the upcoming World Cup and the current geopolitical situation, 76 00:04:04,277 --> 00:04:06,813 I have chosen to move forward with the installation 77 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:09,782 of the cameras in the Stadium District slated for this spring. 78 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:14,587 However, they will not be turned on and will not be connected to the RTCC 79 00:04:15,021 --> 00:04:18,424 unless we are aware of a credible threat that warrants such action 80 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:22,095 and they will be turned off once that threat subsides. 81 00:04:22,228 --> 00:04:25,999 And second, I am turning off one currently installed camera, 82 00:04:26,232 --> 00:04:28,601 which has a view of a facility that provides 83 00:04:28,601 --> 00:04:31,604 reproductive health care and gender affirming care. 84 00:04:31,704 --> 00:04:34,807 I have confirmed that SPD's current practice is to mask 85 00:04:34,807 --> 00:04:37,810 or blur those locations, but until we've completed 86 00:04:37,877 --> 00:04:41,547 a comprehensive security audit and have stronger safeguards in place, 87 00:04:41,547 --> 00:04:43,383 I don't believe it's worth taking that risk 88 00:04:44,817 --> 00:04:45,551 in the event 89 00:04:45,551 --> 00:04:49,322 of a surge of immigration enforcement similar to what was seen in Minneapolis. 90 00:04:49,322 --> 00:04:52,725 I will, of course, turn off all cameras in order to prevent them 91 00:04:52,725 --> 00:04:55,728 from potentially being abused by federal authorities. 92 00:04:56,262 --> 00:04:59,932 While it is already policy that SPD may not share information 93 00:04:59,932 --> 00:05:03,002 with Ice absent a court order, I'm also directing 94 00:05:03,069 --> 00:05:06,072 SPD to immediately inform the mayor and council 95 00:05:06,239 --> 00:05:09,275 if we learn of any information sharing with Ice of any kind, 96 00:05:09,442 --> 00:05:12,612 even if that information is unrelated to the CCTV program. 97 00:05:14,113 --> 00:05:16,482 Finally, I am temporarily pausing 98 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:20,186 all use of automatic license plate readers, or Alpers, 99 00:05:20,386 --> 00:05:24,023 which capture and record the license plates of all vehicles in a specific area. 100 00:05:24,857 --> 00:05:28,094 The state legislature recently added welcome new restrictions 101 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:31,097 to limit the potential abuse of this technology. 102 00:05:31,264 --> 00:05:31,597 We will 103 00:05:31,597 --> 00:05:35,435 pause the use of this tool in Seattle until we can ensure that our practices 104 00:05:35,435 --> 00:05:39,205 are consistent with the new state law and reflect the best 105 00:05:39,205 --> 00:05:40,640 safety and security policies. 106 00:05:49,549 --> 00:05:52,118 So these are big decisions, and I know that I'll receive 107 00:05:52,118 --> 00:05:55,254 a lot of questions about them, and there will be some time for that soon. 108 00:05:56,222 --> 00:05:58,658 But I want to take a moment first to talk about 109 00:05:58,658 --> 00:06:02,228 how the RTCC works right now and then surveillance more broadly. 110 00:06:03,096 --> 00:06:07,200 The RTCC is in office with an SPD headquarters that operates 111 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,037 police CCTV cameras, which are affixed to poles in public spaces. 112 00:06:12,238 --> 00:06:14,874 The police CCTV cameras continuously capture 113 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:17,877 footage of specific zones within specific neighborhoods. 114 00:06:18,211 --> 00:06:21,214 Parts of the downtown business district along Third Avenue. 115 00:06:21,547 --> 00:06:24,083 Parts of the Chinatown International District up to 116 00:06:24,083 --> 00:06:27,487 and including 12th and Jackson, and parts of the North Aurora corridor. 117 00:06:28,254 --> 00:06:31,057 These areas were initially selected based on reported 118 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:34,060 concentrations of certain types of crime. 119 00:06:34,260 --> 00:06:39,132 The RTC also integrates live feeds from many traffic cameras that traffic 120 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:43,236 camera footage is already public and viewable in numerous other locations. 121 00:06:44,470 --> 00:06:45,271 Our RTCC 122 00:06:45,271 --> 00:06:48,307 operators are civilian employees of the police department, 123 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:52,512 and they may not share data or information with federal, state, or other city 124 00:06:52,512 --> 00:06:56,082 jurisdictions for enforcement efforts related to immigration enforcement, 125 00:06:56,282 --> 00:06:58,885 reproductive rights, or gender affirming care. 126 00:06:58,885 --> 00:07:01,888 Absent a court order or judicial warrant, 127 00:07:02,355 --> 00:07:04,924 while the police CCTV cameras capture footage 128 00:07:04,924 --> 00:07:07,927 continuously, they are not continuously monitored. 129 00:07:08,494 --> 00:07:11,164 When a relevant 911 call is received. 130 00:07:11,164 --> 00:07:15,501 Cameras in the RTC are activated and operators can zoom in, pivot 131 00:07:15,501 --> 00:07:18,671 and thus provide additional visual information about the area. 132 00:07:19,672 --> 00:07:20,440 In general. 133 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,476 Camera footage is stored onsite and retained locally 134 00:07:23,476 --> 00:07:26,479 for five days, after which it is deleted. 135 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:29,882 However, if footage is connected to an incident, 136 00:07:30,316 --> 00:07:34,887 it is uploaded to and retained on servers operated by our technology vendor axon. 137 00:07:35,254 --> 00:07:38,191 On their evidence.com platform. 138 00:07:38,191 --> 00:07:42,061 This footage may be used in investigations related to reported incidents. 139 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:50,102 I know that cameras can be, have been and will be useful tools 140 00:07:50,102 --> 00:07:53,806 to solve crime in Seattle and in countless other cities across the world. 141 00:07:54,607 --> 00:07:56,909 I believe in the good faith and good judgment 142 00:07:56,909 --> 00:07:59,912 of the people currently operating the RTC, 143 00:08:00,413 --> 00:08:04,083 but too many of the most important protections rely on standard 144 00:08:04,083 --> 00:08:07,453 operating procedures rather than clear, enforceable policy. 145 00:08:08,521 --> 00:08:11,657 I'm also aware of the reports that the state Department of Licensing 146 00:08:11,657 --> 00:08:14,994 and other agencies have provided information to federal authorities, 147 00:08:15,361 --> 00:08:18,331 and we need to make sure that a similar data leak cannot happen here 148 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:21,334 in Seattle, whether intentionally or unintentionally. 149 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:24,470 That means putting in place clear, enforceable protections 150 00:08:24,470 --> 00:08:27,473 for how surveillance data is stored, accessed and shared. 151 00:08:28,374 --> 00:08:32,411 I also remain concerned that we don't know enough about the security of our data 152 00:08:32,411 --> 00:08:33,479 when it is transferred 153 00:08:33,479 --> 00:08:37,283 to offsite evidence.com servers, which may be located in states 154 00:08:37,283 --> 00:08:41,153 with different degrees of legal protection and could be vulnerable to subpoena. 155 00:08:42,255 --> 00:08:45,525 And more broadly, I believe it is not good governance to expand 156 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:48,794 a pilot program without completing an evaluation of its impacts. 157 00:08:49,962 --> 00:08:52,331 That's why I'm pausing the planned expansion 158 00:08:52,331 --> 00:08:55,935 until we are able to complete an audit and strengthen protections. 159 00:08:56,669 --> 00:08:59,305 We are working with NYU's policing project 160 00:08:59,305 --> 00:09:02,174 to conduct the data governance and privacy audit. 161 00:09:02,174 --> 00:09:06,412 This audit will specifically examine whether current policies and practices 162 00:09:06,412 --> 00:09:09,749 address potential harms to civil rights and civil liberties adequately. 163 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:14,887 The UPenn evaluation, overseen by the office of the Inspector General, 164 00:09:15,354 --> 00:09:18,724 is focused on evaluating crime occurrences, investigative 165 00:09:18,724 --> 00:09:23,162 outcomes, police operations, and community perceptions of the RTC. 166 00:09:24,697 --> 00:09:28,000 I know this issue has become an intense focus of public interest, 167 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,003 and I think it's also important to zoom out a little bit. 168 00:09:33,439 --> 00:09:35,741 There's no doubt that these cameras make it easier 169 00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:39,111 to solve some crimes, including serious ones like homicides, 170 00:09:39,812 --> 00:09:44,884 but also cameras are not the one key to making our neighborhood safe. 171 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:46,686 And on the other 172 00:09:46,686 --> 00:09:50,056 hand, there are legitimate concerns about privacy over 173 00:09:50,056 --> 00:09:53,292 surveillance and potential misuse of surveillance technologies. 174 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:59,131 But also, these cameras are not the primary threat to immigrants, trans 175 00:09:59,131 --> 00:10:02,468 people or people seeking reproductive health care in our country right now. 176 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:07,373 There is so much more to public safety and so much more 177 00:10:07,373 --> 00:10:10,543 to protecting the communities being targeted by the federal government. 178 00:10:11,544 --> 00:10:15,414 These are big, sticky, multidimensional problems with no simple answers. 179 00:10:16,082 --> 00:10:18,851 And in that context, the cameras start 180 00:10:18,851 --> 00:10:21,921 looking like an easy switch that can be turned on or off. 181 00:10:22,855 --> 00:10:25,591 So I know that some people will be upset 182 00:10:25,591 --> 00:10:28,594 that I am not turning off all the cameras immediately, 183 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:33,332 and others will be upset that I am not charging ahead with turning on more. 184 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:34,934 To those 185 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:38,270 people, I say let's work together on the bigger project 186 00:10:38,771 --> 00:10:41,874 of making Sodo and the Central District and Capitol Hill 187 00:10:41,874 --> 00:10:44,877 and neighborhoods throughout the city safer for everyone. 188 00:10:45,111 --> 00:10:48,381 And let's work together on all the ways that we can keep immigrants 189 00:10:48,381 --> 00:10:52,151 and other vulnerable communities safe from federal overreach and abuse, 190 00:10:52,952 --> 00:10:55,988 all the ways that are not as easy as flipping a switch. 191 00:10:57,390 --> 00:10:58,791 I'm committed to that work. 192 00:10:58,791 --> 00:11:00,426 So even if you disagree with me 193 00:11:00,426 --> 00:11:03,462 about this decision, let's move forward on that together. 194 00:11:04,196 --> 00:11:07,199 Please consider my office a partner in that work. 195 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:09,902 I want to thank all the advocates 196 00:11:09,902 --> 00:11:12,905 who have been active on this issue, on all sides. 197 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:15,941 I know that in many ways, we all want the same thing. 198 00:11:15,941 --> 00:11:19,378 For all of us to be able to get where we need to go, spend time 199 00:11:19,378 --> 00:11:22,615 in our neighborhoods, and live our lives knowing that we will come home safe. 200 00:11:23,849 --> 00:11:24,216 I also 201 00:11:24,216 --> 00:11:27,353 want to thank Chief Sean Barnes and SPD for their collaboration, 202 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:30,356 as my office has been working toward these decisions. 203 00:11:33,459 --> 00:11:36,362 And in particular, I want to thank Commander Doug Russo 204 00:11:36,362 --> 00:11:39,598 and the staff at the Real Time Crime Center for their work in partnership. 205 00:11:40,599 --> 00:11:42,902 I want to thank members of the City Council 206 00:11:42,902 --> 00:11:46,238 for productive conversations and everyone in my office 207 00:11:46,238 --> 00:11:49,241 who has been working very hard on this issue. 208 00:11:50,109 --> 00:11:52,812 The decisions we make now will shape our city 209 00:11:52,812 --> 00:11:56,415 and our sense of safety, privacy and trust in government for years to come. 210 00:11:57,183 --> 00:12:00,486 So we need to take the time to get the right policies in place, 211 00:12:01,487 --> 00:12:04,490 and hopefully we can find some more common ground along the way. 212 00:12:05,191 --> 00:12:07,593 So my decision today is just the first step. 213 00:12:07,593 --> 00:12:11,630 I will be holding a town hall next Friday at Town Hall, Seattle 214 00:12:12,598 --> 00:12:13,065 for a more 215 00:12:13,065 --> 00:12:17,103 in-depth conversation on this issue and so that people can have 216 00:12:17,103 --> 00:12:20,106 a further chance to weigh in on this issue with me directly, 217 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,443 and I'll stand for questions. 218 00:12:26,011 --> 00:12:27,880 I have also to help me out. 219 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,884 I have, Kevin Cahill, my general counsel, who's been doing a ton of work 220 00:12:31,884 --> 00:12:32,918 on this issue. 221 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:36,722 And Lee hunt, executive director of crime and community harm reduction. 222 00:12:37,423 --> 00:12:42,061 And happy to take some questions. 223 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:43,262 - Yeah. 224 00:12:43,262 --> 00:12:46,398 Mayor, how long are you giving yourself to to do this review? 225 00:12:46,398 --> 00:12:51,804 And then, you know, to the, to the point that, I've made that kind of a two faces 226 00:12:51,804 --> 00:12:55,875 out of the two already start cameras ring cameras everywhere. 227 00:12:56,375 --> 00:13:00,813 How do you kind of think of other monitoring devices that the city uses? 228 00:13:02,581 --> 00:13:02,982 - Yeah. 229 00:13:02,982 --> 00:13:07,520 So the I think we anticipate and Cadman might be able to weigh in here. 230 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,323 We anticipate that the security audit that, 231 00:13:11,323 --> 00:13:14,994 we're going to be conducting will take a few months, probably. 232 00:13:14,994 --> 00:13:18,631 So that's kind of our initial timeline, for getting some more information. 233 00:13:19,165 --> 00:13:23,202 And yeah, I mean, I think there's a much larger conversation about all the kinds 234 00:13:23,202 --> 00:13:26,205 of surveillance that we are subjected to all day, every day. 235 00:13:27,006 --> 00:13:29,608 I mean, we have, you know, our phones and our computers 236 00:13:29,608 --> 00:13:32,912 are surveilling us 24 seven in the interest of making profit. 237 00:13:32,912 --> 00:13:33,846 We have, 238 00:13:33,846 --> 00:13:36,649 you know, many other levels of government have different 239 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:38,050 surveillance technologies. 240 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:41,253 And, yeah, I mean, I think that the 241 00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:42,922 I don't know if you want to clarify your question, 242 00:13:42,922 --> 00:13:47,193 but I think the I mean, the cameras are one piece of a bigger puzzle. 243 00:13:47,193 --> 00:13:51,564 There's something that we at the city have very direct control over in terms of, 244 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:55,434 being able to set our own policies and decide kind of how they're used. 245 00:13:55,801 --> 00:13:58,237 - I guess just within the context that you just described. 246 00:13:58,237 --> 00:13:59,605 But mass surveillance. 247 00:13:59,605 --> 00:14:04,076 What why is this sort of of the perhaps the last straw, or 248 00:14:04,076 --> 00:14:08,147 why does it make sense to draw a line at these, you know, not that . 249 00:14:08,147 --> 00:14:08,581 - I mean, it's, 250 00:14:08,581 --> 00:14:12,785 it's a, it's a thing that is a thing that we have control over of the city. So, 251 00:14:13,786 --> 00:14:14,620 you know, I can't I can't 252 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:17,623 set policy for, for everything. 253 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:21,327 - Yeah. So, 254 00:14:21,327 --> 00:14:24,563 it's a preference we've been reporting for the last few years, 255 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:27,733 Converge media distribution, consulting and speaking to 256 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:31,971 the actual victims of crime that are happening right now 257 00:14:31,971 --> 00:14:34,974 and not received threats that might happen in the future. 258 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,043 But people, a lot of people on the ground level, 259 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:42,648 as you know, welcome these cameras, because they're the ones 260 00:14:42,648 --> 00:14:47,119 who are actually being victimized today by usually repeat offenders. 261 00:14:47,486 --> 00:14:50,856 My question is to you, you said that it was important that the city 262 00:14:51,156 --> 00:14:54,393 works with people on both sides of this issue. 263 00:14:54,693 --> 00:14:59,732 What exactly in your office, what are you committed to in your office 264 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:03,702 besides just listening sessions of, you know, people voicing their concerns? 265 00:15:03,702 --> 00:15:05,371 What does that mechanism look like 266 00:15:05,371 --> 00:15:08,774 to bring people who don't want cameras and people who do want cameras 267 00:15:09,174 --> 00:15:12,611 to to some kind of compromise here within the city. 268 00:15:12,611 --> 00:15:16,048 Is it just listening, or are you going to assign somebody in your office? 269 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:19,051 This is a lot more responsibility to get to a resolution. 270 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:20,219 - Yeah. 271 00:15:20,219 --> 00:15:23,923 I mean, you know, people in my office have been having conversations 272 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:27,059 with various stakeholders and people in the community with variety of opinions. 273 00:15:27,059 --> 00:15:28,961 So as I mentioned, we're having a town hall next week. 274 00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:31,797 So that's one opportunity for people with all kinds of opinions 275 00:15:31,797 --> 00:15:34,233 to come together and voice those in a public setting. 276 00:15:34,233 --> 00:15:37,303 As well as to, you know, hear, I think it's gonna be a conversation 277 00:15:37,303 --> 00:15:41,206 between probably need another person to get at some of the more kind of nuanced 278 00:15:41,206 --> 00:15:44,376 nuances of this, of this debate in kind of a long form format. 279 00:15:45,277 --> 00:15:46,946 But yeah, I mean, I think we're open. 280 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:50,015 So if you have thoughts about like, you know, if, 281 00:15:50,049 --> 00:15:54,086 if it makes sense to bring together folks with different perspectives 282 00:15:54,086 --> 00:15:57,489 and more of like a small conversation format or something, 283 00:15:57,489 --> 00:16:00,292 I think we're open to different ways that this engagement could look. 284 00:16:00,292 --> 00:16:02,795 - It’s ust playing. Off of what you would say. 285 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:03,095 - Yeah. 286 00:16:03,095 --> 00:16:06,999 - Well, what you said is that that you want to bring 287 00:16:06,999 --> 00:16:10,002 the different sides of this issue together. 288 00:16:10,035 --> 00:16:14,373 And I guess what I'm saying is, besides of, of a listening session, 289 00:16:14,373 --> 00:16:17,977 which is important, because there's lots of perspectives here. 290 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:22,815 Does the office of the mayor have any intentions in a more formal capacity? 291 00:16:24,683 --> 00:16:27,619 To see how there is a budget gap there? 292 00:16:27,619 --> 00:16:30,990 You know, as you said, often times the voice of victims, 293 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:33,993 people who are actually victimized right now, 294 00:16:34,293 --> 00:16:37,062 they're not as loud as other other groups, for sure. 295 00:16:37,062 --> 00:16:38,764 And a lot of times they're overlooked. 296 00:16:38,764 --> 00:16:44,036 And so I'm just seeing if there's a formal kind of situation here beyond listening. 297 00:16:44,203 --> 00:16:46,138 - Yeah. I mean, we don't we don't have that planned. 298 00:16:46,138 --> 00:16:48,907 But I'm very open to I'm very open to working on something like that. 299 00:16:48,907 --> 00:16:51,176 I think that could be really productive. 300 00:16:51,176 --> 00:16:55,080 - How do we know how many license plate readers are in the city of Seattle? 301 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,448 And you say, turn them off. 302 00:16:56,448 --> 00:16:58,317 Like, how many are we talking about? 303 00:16:58,317 --> 00:17:01,320 - I don't know, but we do know that. 304 00:17:04,023 --> 00:17:05,057 - Our license plate 305 00:17:05,057 --> 00:17:08,060 readers are assigned to each of our patrol vehicles, 306 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:11,730 as well as to six of our parking enforcement officers. 307 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:13,832 So all of those will be turned off. 308 00:17:13,832 --> 00:17:14,700 - Do you know how many? 309 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:18,570 - It's about 400 right now, depending on if they if the, 310 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:22,107 patrol vehicles in service are out of service. 311 00:17:22,107 --> 00:17:24,443 - Does that include, like, the highway 99 tunnel. 312 00:17:24,443 --> 00:17:25,711 License plate reader? 313 00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:27,112 - We don't have those at all. 314 00:17:27,112 --> 00:17:29,748 That's not under the S.P.D. purview. 315 00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:33,986 - I have a question about, your your statement that this being based 316 00:17:33,986 --> 00:17:38,590 on data and not feelings, if a, you know, there are values at play here too, 317 00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:42,528 and if a security report comes back and says it's totally secure, 318 00:17:42,828 --> 00:17:45,731 can you talk about how your values are going to inform 319 00:17:45,731 --> 00:17:48,067 or not inform a decision about these cameras? 320 00:17:50,135 --> 00:17:50,602 321 00:17:50,602 --> 00:17:53,072 - I mean, I think that if 322 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:56,708 if the audit comes back and says everything's totally secure, 323 00:17:56,708 --> 00:17:59,745 we're not at all worried about this data getting into the hands 324 00:17:59,745 --> 00:18:00,746 of the federal government. 325 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:03,649 I think likely my decision at that point 326 00:18:03,649 --> 00:18:06,952 would be to move forward with the expansion, of the pilot. 327 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,824 But I do think that there's a larger conversation to be had about, 328 00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:16,128 just given that there are, like, basic like, do you want to live in a society 329 00:18:16,128 --> 00:18:17,796 where there's, like, cameras in every corner? Right. 330 00:18:17,796 --> 00:18:19,832 I think that's a very legitimate question. 331 00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:23,836 And I think there's a kind of a weighing of the public benefit that the cameras 332 00:18:23,836 --> 00:18:27,639 are providing in terms of our ability to solve crimes and sometimes intervene 333 00:18:27,639 --> 00:18:28,774 when crimes are in progress. Right. 334 00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:31,376 I think that's a real like that's a real benefit. Right. 335 00:18:31,376 --> 00:18:33,612 But then that has to be weighed against, 336 00:18:33,612 --> 00:18:37,416 just general privacy concerns and then just risks of misuse. 337 00:18:37,416 --> 00:18:39,952 That's not even just overreach by the federal government, but, 338 00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:44,089 other ways that this data could be misused or contribute to overpolicing or, 339 00:18:44,089 --> 00:18:45,390 you know, there's there's other considerations. 340 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:49,495 So I think that, in general, moving forward, I would like to 341 00:18:50,028 --> 00:18:52,498 do a lot more thinking and have more of a public conversation around 342 00:18:52,498 --> 00:18:53,332 what that balances. 343 00:18:53,332 --> 00:18:56,768 Is there some, like, level of crime in a neighborhood where it's 344 00:18:56,768 --> 00:18:59,872 warranted to, to have the CCTV cameras? 345 00:18:59,872 --> 00:19:02,007 Because otherwise, why don't we just put them everywhere, right? 346 00:19:02,007 --> 00:19:03,475 That would make things even easier, right? 347 00:19:03,475 --> 00:19:05,277 So I think there are real questions there. 348 00:19:05,277 --> 00:19:08,347 And, so yeah, if that answers your question, I think 349 00:19:08,347 --> 00:19:11,483 I'd be inclined to move forward with, the proposed pilot expansion. 350 00:19:11,483 --> 00:19:15,087 But before doing anything else, like have more of that big conversation 351 00:19:15,087 --> 00:19:18,090 around, values and kind of those balances. 352 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:19,992 - Does that include the UPEN study? 353 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:21,160 Because, I mean, you're you're sort of 354 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,163 stating that they're effective, but I don't think we know yet. 355 00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:30,002 - I mean, I think anecdotally, like there are, you know, SPD, I can tell you 356 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:34,373 in many instances when, the cameras have been helpful in solving crimes. 357 00:19:34,373 --> 00:19:37,943 So, yeah, I think that that is partly what I'm hoping that the UPenn study 358 00:19:37,943 --> 00:19:40,946 is going to help us with is really a more, 359 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:44,683 evidence based assessment of like, what is the utility of the cameras? 360 00:19:44,683 --> 00:19:46,652 Because there's one thing I know is one thing to say, like, 361 00:19:46,652 --> 00:19:49,621 these cameras have been used in this many incidents, but like, 362 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,824 how many crimes probably wouldn't have been able to solve themselves 363 00:19:52,824 --> 00:19:56,762 without them, or how many would take more kind of in-person police capacity 364 00:19:56,762 --> 00:19:57,863 or taken longer to solve. Right. 365 00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:00,332 And so we need a lot more of that texture, I think. 366 00:20:00,332 --> 00:20:03,035 And also we need to understand just the range of the kinds of crimes 367 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:04,169 that they're being used for now, 368 00:20:04,169 --> 00:20:06,672 because there's just a lot of nuance there as well. 369 00:20:06,672 --> 00:20:08,440 - But following up on that, 370 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,009 what about the public safety outcomes that you've heard from us 371 00:20:11,009 --> 00:20:14,012 PD or seen otherwise was not sufficient to take the risk 372 00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:15,714 with the potential vulnerability of data. 373 00:20:16,782 --> 00:20:17,616 - Say that again. 374 00:20:17,616 --> 00:20:19,651 - What about the public safety outcomes, whether it's 375 00:20:19,651 --> 00:20:22,020 what CPD has told you, what you're understanding, 376 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:23,889 you have an evaluation that you're undertaking. 377 00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:28,193 But about what SPD has told you that the cameras have been used for so far. 378 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:31,196 What about that was not sufficient to take the risk with data. 379 00:20:31,196 --> 00:20:33,131 What potentially access to these? 380 00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:36,668 - Well, I just I mean, we're in a moment where, I think there's just heightened 381 00:20:36,668 --> 00:20:39,371 anxiety in immigrant communities and other communities 382 00:20:39,371 --> 00:20:41,006 that are being targeted by the federal government. 383 00:20:41,006 --> 00:20:44,876 And so I think there's just kind of a it's a good moment to be extra cautious 384 00:20:44,876 --> 00:20:47,879 and to demand a higher bar in terms of, 385 00:20:48,046 --> 00:20:52,117 trust in our data security and storage and sharing practices. 386 00:20:52,117 --> 00:20:56,655 And so, you know, I think that what I've seen from what I've heard from S.P.D. 387 00:20:56,688 --> 00:21:00,225 and what I've, you know, seen at the real time Crime Center, right. 388 00:21:00,225 --> 00:21:01,893 I think there's no doubt that there's 389 00:21:01,893 --> 00:21:04,263 that the cameras are useful again in solving crimes. 390 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:08,300 And, but I just think that this is a moment where it makes sense to pause. 391 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:11,103 - Those experiences, change your mind on these game. 392 00:21:13,005 --> 00:21:15,407 - I mean, I think, 393 00:21:15,407 --> 00:21:16,742 I mean, not not entirely. 394 00:21:16,742 --> 00:21:20,812 I mean, I think, like, I, you know, I, I have the same concerns 395 00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:25,183 that I was expressing all last year about the potential for misuse of the data. 396 00:21:25,183 --> 00:21:26,818 Right. So that hasn't changed. 397 00:21:26,818 --> 00:21:30,589 But I know a lot more now about how these cameras work, 398 00:21:30,589 --> 00:21:32,391 and what they're used for. 399 00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:34,760 And so, yeah, I mean, that's kind of changes 400 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,862 your perspective when you, when you learn more. 401 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:39,831 But I don't think that I'm in like a wildly different place 402 00:21:39,831 --> 00:21:42,868 than I once was last year, but I just know a lot more in detail. 403 00:21:42,868 --> 00:21:44,503 And obviously, I'm not in a position 404 00:21:44,503 --> 00:21:46,905 where I actually have to make decisions about it. 405 00:21:46,905 --> 00:21:49,808 - When you said you wanted a couple more months to review 406 00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:52,944 this, is that independent of the timeline for the audit, 407 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,546 or are you talking about the audit? 408 00:21:57,182 --> 00:22:01,653 - the audit is what were the the timeline right now is being determined 409 00:22:01,653 --> 00:22:04,656 by the audit in terms of our next juncture for potentially making a decision. 410 00:22:04,956 --> 00:22:09,127 - And any exposure for the city to like change or breach contract with Exxon. 411 00:22:10,562 --> 00:22:11,330 - Not that I'm aware of. 412 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:14,132 I don't know if, you know, if you want to 413 00:22:14,132 --> 00:22:14,766 know. 414 00:22:14,766 --> 00:22:17,769 Yeah. 415 00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:19,404 - About the cameras 416 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:22,541 in the Stadium district, how many new cameras we can install, 417 00:22:22,541 --> 00:22:24,042 and once they first will be in place 418 00:22:24,042 --> 00:22:27,279 to make sure that they're not on, when they're not supposed to be on, 419 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:31,783 and then at the end of the World Cup, do they just kind of stay there off forever? 420 00:22:32,451 --> 00:22:35,454 - So I believe is it 20 cameras 421 00:22:35,787 --> 00:22:38,223 to 26 for the Stadium district? 422 00:22:38,223 --> 00:22:38,590 Okay. 423 00:22:38,590 --> 00:22:42,527 So sounds like we will be installing 26 cameras in the Stadium district. 424 00:22:42,627 --> 00:22:47,199 I believe we have a pretty foolproof methods of making sure they're off 425 00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:50,001 so they will be off unless we decide unless again, 426 00:22:50,001 --> 00:22:53,004 there's a credible threat and we decide to turn them on. 427 00:22:53,138 --> 00:22:56,375 And, and then, you know, I think they will be subject to the 428 00:22:56,375 --> 00:23:00,212 same kind of review that we're doing once we got the results of the audit. 429 00:23:00,212 --> 00:23:02,013 And so there'll be a further decision at that point, 430 00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:04,383 whether we're just moving forward with the planned expansion, 431 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:07,552 in which case we would be turning them on and connecting them to the RTCC or not. 432 00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:11,490 - And then for the AlPR, has Axon 433 00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:15,093 indicated a willingness to do the work to kind of bridge 434 00:23:15,093 --> 00:23:19,831 some of the technological gaps that is causing the problem, I think. 435 00:23:19,931 --> 00:23:22,501 - Yeah. You want to take this one? 436 00:23:24,136 --> 00:23:25,270 - The answer is yes. 437 00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:29,408 We're talking with axon, as is every other agency 438 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:33,545 that's an end user here in the state of Washington with the restriction on 439 00:23:33,779 --> 00:23:37,983 having to geofence, when an alpr system is active, 440 00:23:38,717 --> 00:23:42,988 we want to ensure that the maps are correct, that we have 441 00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:47,159 all of the businesses and schools and appropriate areas that need to be, 442 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,695 not having the cameras operating in. 443 00:23:51,229 --> 00:23:51,797 Correct. 444 00:23:51,797 --> 00:23:54,933 We need that data correct before we can test and ensure 445 00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:58,537 that as vehicles are driving with our patrol officers in them, 446 00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:02,507 those cameras, the Alpr cameras, are being turned off appropriately. 447 00:24:02,674 --> 00:24:04,476 So we've got some technical hurdles to do. 448 00:24:04,476 --> 00:24:06,278 We're working with axon on that. 449 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:06,511 Yeah. 450 00:24:06,511 --> 00:24:09,181 - Do you have an idea on the timeline? 451 00:24:09,181 --> 00:24:11,650 - Absolutley not. This is all for all brand new for us. 452 00:24:11,650 --> 00:24:13,285 And we're going to do it right. 453 00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:14,586 That's the important thing. to follow. Up on the Stadium district. 454 00:24:14,586 --> 00:24:16,154 - To follow up on the Stadium district. 455 00:24:16,154 --> 00:24:19,291 What will be the procedure for flipping the switch and like, 456 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:20,592 what would the threshold be? 457 00:24:20,592 --> 00:24:22,461 Who would have final say on that? 458 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:23,595 Will you be reviewing? 459 00:24:24,963 --> 00:24:27,666 You know, I've read. 460 00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:29,134 - I'm the mayor, so I have final say. 461 00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:29,868 Yeah. 462 00:24:29,868 --> 00:24:33,038 I mean, I think, I don't I'm not sure that we've, we've defined 463 00:24:33,038 --> 00:24:36,508 precisely what credible threat is, but we just know that it's like, 464 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,109 you know, the eyes of the world 465 00:24:38,109 --> 00:24:41,112 are going to be on Seattle, and there's going to be a lot of, 466 00:24:41,313 --> 00:24:42,481 there could be potential threats. 467 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:45,383 So we're just, yeah, we'll be we'll be kind of figuring that out. 468 00:24:45,383 --> 00:24:48,386 But yeah, that's really. 469 00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:49,721 - It is. 470 00:24:49,721 --> 00:24:53,358 Does SPD think that it's workable to, geofence 471 00:24:53,358 --> 00:24:57,062 churches and schools and, you know, and how are you going to define a church? 472 00:24:57,062 --> 00:24:59,130 I mean, is that does that all seem workable? 473 00:24:59,130 --> 00:25:02,334 And then also, is there a revenue implication to not being able. 474 00:25:03,435 --> 00:25:05,370 - So for the 475 00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:09,174 alpr systems in our patrol vehicles, we're going to be 476 00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:12,177 about we're going to be evaluating how workable that is. 477 00:25:12,544 --> 00:25:16,481 So if you're a church or a school or a medical center, 478 00:25:16,481 --> 00:25:19,484 you have a, a 479 00:25:20,018 --> 00:25:21,853 a business license. 480 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:23,455 And that is with the city. 481 00:25:23,455 --> 00:25:27,392 And we can identify those parcels where those places are located 482 00:25:27,392 --> 00:25:30,395 and use those to build the map and identify the buffers. 483 00:25:30,795 --> 00:25:33,798 So that process is beginning, beginning now 484 00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:39,070 in terms of the parking enforcement officers, we're going to be turning off 485 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:43,675 those six cameras that will have an impact on revenue. 486 00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:48,213 I do not know how much at this point. 487 00:25:50,882 --> 00:25:53,552 - Mayor, do you think that this is a waste of taxpayer money 488 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:58,924 to set up all these cameras, turn them on and off or off indefinitely, 489 00:25:59,357 --> 00:26:04,863 especially when you talked and seen about how crime has escalated in the city. 490 00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:09,568 You said you were invested in investing more in the city. 491 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:10,669 What does that look like? 492 00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:13,772 Especially when kind of three fold question here, 493 00:26:13,972 --> 00:26:18,109 when we've seen such a huge vacancy rate across the downtown for, 494 00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:20,946 I mean, how do you prevent businesses 495 00:26:20,946 --> 00:26:25,150 from leaving, as we're saying, these cameras are helping solve crime. 496 00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:26,785 What do you say to business owners 497 00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:29,788 who are concerned every day that they may not make it to the work? 498 00:26:30,288 --> 00:26:31,957 - And to to be clear, 499 00:26:31,957 --> 00:26:36,294 the cameras in the downtown core will remain on and active and in use. 500 00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:37,596 And. 501 00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,664 Yeah. So, I mean, I just think this is really important 502 00:26:39,664 --> 00:26:41,066 that we get this decision, right? 503 00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:47,138 And, and I think I'll also just go back to, you know, these cameras, while 504 00:26:47,138 --> 00:26:51,176 useful to solve crime, they're not the the answer to our public safety problems. 505 00:26:51,176 --> 00:26:51,376 Right? 506 00:26:51,376 --> 00:26:54,613 I haven't seen any evidence that they deter or prevent crime. 507 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:56,514 Right. They're helpful in, in solving it. 508 00:26:56,514 --> 00:26:59,451 But in terms of actually making our neighborhoods safer, 509 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:01,753 we have a lot of other kinds of work to do, right? 510 00:27:01,753 --> 00:27:06,091 We have work on our police staffing and making sure that we're building 511 00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:09,894 trusting relationships between police and the communities that they're serving in. 512 00:27:10,395 --> 00:27:12,731 We have work to do on gun violence prevention. 513 00:27:12,731 --> 00:27:15,634 That's another big body of work that my office's taken very seriously 514 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:16,468 right now. 515 00:27:16,468 --> 00:27:20,205 We have work to do just on, addressing, 516 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:24,943 the way the, you know, drug use and the ways that our unsheltered 517 00:27:24,943 --> 00:27:26,945 homelessness crisis intersects with public safety. 518 00:27:26,945 --> 00:27:28,513 So there's there's a lot of different things 519 00:27:28,513 --> 00:27:32,851 that we need to be doing in neighborhoods around the city to improve, to make sure 520 00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:35,820 that people, you know, feel safe and are safe in their neighborhoods. 521 00:27:36,521 --> 00:27:39,824 And so I think the cameras are actually a relatively small piece of that, 522 00:27:39,824 --> 00:27:41,192 but it's important that we get it right. 523 00:27:41,192 --> 00:27:43,128 And so we're doing our due diligence. 524 00:27:43,128 --> 00:27:45,697 - And our one question after that question. 525 00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:48,700 - what was the SPD response to your decisions? 526 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:52,871 - We've been talking with SPD throughout, this process. 527 00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:55,907 And again, the folks at the Real Time Crime Center had been incredibly 528 00:27:55,907 --> 00:27:59,744 helpful and welcoming and, and open with us and, yeah. 529 00:27:59,744 --> 00:28:00,478 So, I mean, 530 00:28:00,478 --> 00:28:03,682 I think we're we're all on the same page about how we're moving forward. 531 00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,750 And we're going to just continue. 532 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:09,421 I think there's there's work to be done right on our on the policy side of things. 533 00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:09,554 Right. 534 00:28:09,554 --> 00:28:11,956 Part of the reason why we're doing this is because there's, 535 00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:13,591 you know, this this pilot is relatively new. 536 00:28:13,591 --> 00:28:17,395 And so there's a lot of practices that are that the real time Crime Center 537 00:28:17,395 --> 00:28:21,933 folks are doing, which are good, but they're not actually encoded in policies. 538 00:28:21,933 --> 00:28:24,069 So we're going to be continuing to work with them on that. 539 00:28:24,069 --> 00:28:27,072 - The chief supports your decisions. - Yeah. 540 00:28:27,238 --> 00:28:27,972 - Absolutely. - Yeah. 541 00:28:28,773 --> 00:28:30,542 - Cesar Chavez Park, 542 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:33,044 any thoughts about, Cloverdale, 543 00:28:33,044 --> 00:28:36,047 what's going to happen with that park? 544 00:28:36,781 --> 00:28:38,950 - Breaking news. 545 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:42,454 So, not not not really. 546 00:28:42,454 --> 00:28:45,990 I mean, I think that's a conversation that if if the community 547 00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:48,660 wants to have a conversation about that, we can have a conversation about that. 548 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:50,161 And it's not entirely up to Seattle. 549 00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:52,797 I believe that's, King County's involved in that park as well. 550 00:28:52,797 --> 00:28:54,466 - Mayor, you were at the governor's press conference 551 00:28:54,466 --> 00:28:57,769 was disrupted by far left activists who are against these cameras. 552 00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:59,437 What do you say to the people who do. 553 00:28:59,437 --> 00:29:03,241 Not want to compromise at all and refuse to take again? 554 00:29:03,475 --> 00:29:04,375 No. For an answer? 555 00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:07,112 They want these camps totally out of the city. 556 00:29:07,112 --> 00:29:10,582 - I mean, I think my remarks were partly speaking to those people and to everyone. 557 00:29:11,716 --> 00:29:12,517 - I think that's that. 558 00:29:12,517 --> 00:29:15,253 That's I think over there right now. Let's do it. 559 00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:16,387 You're welcome to by. 560 00:29:16,387 --> 00:29:19,290 - I already nodded at this fellow. So we're going to take one more. 561 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:22,127 - Mayor just looking at, Axon’s federal contracts. 562 00:29:22,127 --> 00:29:25,463 30% of their money comes from the Department of Homeland Security. 563 00:29:25,663 --> 00:29:26,865 It's about $20 million. 564 00:29:26,865 --> 00:29:31,035 15 million of that comes from Ice and Customs and Border Protection. 565 00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:35,240 Why is the city partnering with axon in particular, as opposed to 566 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,741 maybe some other company? 567 00:29:36,741 --> 00:29:40,111 - I mean, what other I mean, military industrial complex, right. 568 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:42,881 We got like, not that many companies that provide services like that. 569 00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:46,918 So I don't know that there's like, if you want to point us to a, squeaky 570 00:29:46,918 --> 00:29:50,421 clean company to, to do business with, happy to happy to have that. Yes. 571 00:29:51,923 --> 00:29:53,158 - I don't know if 572 00:29:53,158 --> 00:29:55,827 you can speak more to that credible threat question 573 00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:58,797 and sort of what the how often 574 00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:01,466 what is the likelihood that Seattle would get a credible 575 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:04,536 threat in advance of an incident at something like the World Cup versus 576 00:30:04,536 --> 00:30:08,640 like a random event that we might wish we would have had the cameras on for? 577 00:30:10,341 --> 00:30:13,344 - I'm going to defer to a police officer here. 578 00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:16,881 - I'm not I'm not a police officer. 579 00:30:16,881 --> 00:30:21,753 But, so a credible threat. 580 00:30:21,753 --> 00:30:24,088 We have an intelligence unit. 581 00:30:24,088 --> 00:30:29,561 And as we stand up, our collaborative resources for FIFA, regionally, 582 00:30:29,661 --> 00:30:32,797 we have a whole team that's focused 583 00:30:32,797 --> 00:30:35,967 on making sure that the safety of the venue 584 00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:40,071 and the visitors here in the city for those games are our top. 585 00:30:40,371 --> 00:30:43,341 That's our most important thing that we're doing. 586 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:46,945 So for us, we're going to have in place, 587 00:30:47,111 --> 00:30:51,549 systems that will allow us to alert to any potential 588 00:30:52,283 --> 00:30:55,920 noticed threat that's been published about some activity. 589 00:30:56,187 --> 00:31:00,758 We will be those cameras are off, but if you will, they're on standby, 590 00:31:00,758 --> 00:31:04,529 in a sense, and they can be brought up to speed pretty quickly. 591 00:31:04,762 --> 00:31:08,099 The definition of credible threat or significant incident? 592 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:11,536 We're going to spend some time with our lawyers 593 00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:15,273 talking about the actual functionality of what that looks like, under 594 00:31:15,273 --> 00:31:17,308 what conditions and what categories. 595 00:31:17,308 --> 00:31:18,877 So we're going to work through all of that. 596 00:31:20,411 --> 00:31:21,779 Does that answer your question. 597 00:31:21,779 --> 00:31:22,247 - Yeah. 598 00:31:22,247 --> 00:31:22,513 - Okay. 599 00:31:22,513 --> 00:31:25,516 Great. 600 00:31:26,317 --> 00:31:27,252 - Okay. 601 00:31:27,252 --> 00:31:29,020 - Big meetings in the NBA next week. 602 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:31,890 What is your office some sort of return to the basketball. 603 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:36,060 - Yes I think we're going to we're going to keep the questions on surveillance today. 604 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:39,764 As exciting a topic as that is I'm sure I'm sure we'll hear more soon.