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a huge marketing campaign
for beer and alcohol companies.

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- Yeah.

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- I'm not sure about the numbers,
but I've read it's on par

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with the Superbowl 

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For beer sales, alcohol
sales, tequila,

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guacamole.

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[♪♪]

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- Well, welcome to this

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Cinco de Mayo edition of Chino y Chicano.

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I'm Enrique Cerna, and, of course, I'm

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recording here on Cinco de Mayo,
which is the 5th of May.

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A lot of Americans
are going to be celebrating this day.

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No, it's not a holiday. National holiday.

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It isn't even one in Mexico,
to be honest with you.

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But, this is a day
when a lot of people get together

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and they're going to be eating tacos
and enchiladas and Mexican food,

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and those that can drink are probably
going to be drinking and maybe

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way too much because it's Cinco de Mayo
and people get together and they do that.

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They consume alcohol.

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I don't actually,
because I don't drink, but, I thought

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this might be a good time to do,
well, a little history lesson.

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It's a learning situation.

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And I wanted you to know
what really Cinco de Mayo is all about

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and how how it's celebrated here
in the States versus Mexico.

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And, Oh, by the way, Cinco
de Mayo is not Mexican Independence Day.

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That is September 16th.

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And that's a whole different thing.

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Anyway, I just thought it would be good

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to educate folks
about what Cinco de Mayo is all about,

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how it's celebrated here in the States,
how it's celebrated in Mexico.

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So I turn to one of my cousins,
one of my primos in Mexico.

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His name is Manuel Serna.

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And, he spelled his last name with an S.

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I do it with a c.

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A lot of us here in the States
do that of cousins.

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And he he knows this
well because he actually,

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spent his college years at Texas A&M.

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And then, you know,
he has his Mexican roots

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so he can talk about all of this.

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So here now is my conversation
with my primo Manuel Serna.

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[♪♪]

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All right.

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Now joining me now from Torreón, Coahuila

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in Mexico is my primo
and my cousin Manuel Serna.

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Actually,
we know him as Manolo in the family.

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So, Manolo, how are you doing?

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We haven't talked for quite a while.

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I see you on Facebook, and you're
always going to all these competitions.

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Athletic competitions around the world.

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But.

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Yeah.

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Good to see you.

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It's been a while.

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Good to see you, too, primo.

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- Yeah

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Yeah. Of course.

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- Okay. I want folks to know a little bit
about you.

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You live in in Torreón,
where we have family.

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Your family is also had this,

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bus transportation operation
for quite a while.

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You work there, right?

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It was actually started by 
your grandfather.

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- It was indeed started by my grandfather.

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by the second generation, which is like

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my dad and his brothers and sisters.

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Okay.

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And so, yeah, I worked there for public
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We also operate a few fueling stations
in the region.

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Your Manuel.

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Your grandfather was known Manuel... Manuel
as well as well?

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Yeah, I remember him quite well. He was,

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my dad's
older brother, and they were pretty close.

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So that was that was.

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So we have lots of cousins in Torreón
and in all of that, in Mexico yet,

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which is kind of great
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we can call you guys and say,
hey, how are you doing?

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You actually went to college here
in the States, right?

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- I did my undergrad in Texas A&M.

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- Okay?

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- I was there for four and a half years.

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So. So you, you know, the Cinco
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- I know both parties.

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I know the Mexican version.

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I know the American version,

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- Which I think the Mexican version
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Let's face it though.

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- I really doubt it.

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- You don't really,

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All right, so let's talk about this
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Cinco de Mayo is kind of like a party day
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But give me a little bit of a history,
everybody.

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I think a lot of people here
maybe some do know, some don't know.

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They think it's a Mexican
Independence Day, which isn't true.

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That's actually in September.

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But how is it celebrated in in Mexico?

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- Mexican independence happened in 1810.

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Cinco de Mayo, the Battle of Puebla.

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But Puebla in Spanish
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So there's a big gap,

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in the timeline.

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So it has nothing to do with Mexican
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-Right. 

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Now, the battle happened in Puebla.

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between Puebla, the state,
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- Right.

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- So this happened, as the French
try to seize the City of Puebla.

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It was it was more of a morale boost,
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because the Mexican managed

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to hold the French army once.

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All right. And

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we have

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we have to be honest, because it was
we won the battle,

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but we were not victorious.

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The city was put the French,

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they had a better army,

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better weapons,

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more educated as well.

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strategy was we had higher ground.

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And so the Mexican army
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- So it was really a moral victory because
the French at that time had a bigger,

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army, had a stronger army,
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happened to stand up to them and,
and defeat them on that particular day.

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- That's what pretty much happened.

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And but but it also didn't
the fact is, is that the French then did

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kind of take control of things.

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It was, they installed Maximilian
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Mexico was able to be victorious

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and to, get its Republic back.

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I don't know how long did that take
after all of that?

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- Back and forth.

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There was a lot of turmoil, 
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I think it started to stabilize

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until the Mexican Revolution popped.

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And this happened in 1910. Right.

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So I guess the,
the Battle of Puebla comes right

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in between Independence Day
and the revolution of the Mexican.

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- And that revolution actually was part of
how our grandfather, great grandfather.

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See, it would be my grandfather.

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Be your great, great, great great,
they ended up coming to the US

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because of that.

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Yeah, to the States,
because he had been a landowner.

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He had to actually flee
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the revolutionaries at that time.

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So the Serna family ended up

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making its way into the States,
but also kept its roots in Mexico.

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So all of that. So.

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Okay, marking this day in in Mexico

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is that much of the celebration
do is there anything go on?

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- Well, not like in the US.

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I think in the US it's just a huge

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marketing campaign
for beer and alcohol companies.

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- It's true. I think you're right.

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It is. It is.

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And I think that's kind of how they
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use the PR campaign to sell beer.  So yeah.

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- I'm not sure about the numbers,
but I've read it's on par

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with the Super Bowl. 

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- Oh, wow.

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In beer sales or what?

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- For beer sales.

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Alcohol sales, tequila?

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Guacamole.

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And all that.

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- Okay, so at Texas A&M,
did you party there?

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- Yeah. Yeah.

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- But like Cinco Mayo
and I think this year it's

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going to be harder
because you know, today's Tuesday.

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So Taco Tuesday

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and Drinko de Mayo are going to do their thing.

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- Yeah okay.

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But in Mexico on this day,
anything going on?

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- Not really.  We do work.

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- And if you go out to any restaurants bars

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like absolutely
no one's going to be talking.

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- Do they have any ceremonies
or anything in any of the towns.

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- Yeah of course in schools.

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- And mostly in Puebla
we do some festivals.

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They recreate the battle as well.

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And mention
like the important people there.

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- Yeah.

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Like, the general at the time was Ignacio
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but he he died a few months later from

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something else, like an illness.

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It was a battle related, but,
Yeah, we do remember.

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We remember the battle.

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We celebrated,

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as what it was.

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Really?

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- Yeah.

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- It's not an excuse to drink.

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- So what do Mexicans think of

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how Americans now celebrate Cinco de Mayo?

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- To be honest, I don't

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we don't really care
because we don't experience.

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And we're very close.

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We're neighbors, but culturally,

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we don't experience your joy for Cinco
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I mean, unless we have,
like, American TV or something,

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it's just another day for us.

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- But that....

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that isn't the way of the Mexican
Independence Day is celebrated, right?

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That Mexican independence is not now.

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- No no, no. Yeah.

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This happens in September.

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Septembre,  Right?

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- September 16th.

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Yeah.

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September 16th. And that is a big
that is a big celebration.

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And that that happens.

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And actually it's marked
even here in the States

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by a lot of communities
and things like that.

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So primo,  I gotta ask you, you know,

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you probably keep your eye on Mexico
and what's happening in the US.

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American use of

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force here politically.

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How do Mexicans view
what is happening in this in the U.S

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these days?

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- Well, it's it's hard to say

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or opinion side quite quite divided.

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We we appreciate the states

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intervening in our politics

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because, recently our politics have been

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politicians have been very corrupt,

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and, and ever since,

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drug dealers
where declared us terrorists.

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The US has more control over

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the local situation.

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I don't know if you've heard the news,
but one of the governors from

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for the most state calls in a long time,

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he was flagged by the US

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and and they want him
they want to take him to the States.

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Okay. Right?

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- Okay.

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- We really hope it happens
because justice is

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pretty much non-existent here in Mexico.

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- So you think the feeling is, is that,

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with any U.S intervention,
particularly dealing

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with the issues of corruption
or with the cartels too, that most,

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most Mexicans
actually support that?

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- We do support it.

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- Yeah, yeah.

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- And we see it as our hope.

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- Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's that obviously

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we don't agree with a lot of other

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topics like, 

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- Immigration? 

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- Immigration.

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That's that's a big one.

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Yeah. Right. That's a, that's a big one.

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I mean, we as Mexicans respect,

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the US and their decisions, but

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I don't agree of how

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a lot of immigrants have been treated

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in the states, especially in the states.

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- Right. 

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Right with you, I have to tell you, primo,
that and I don't have it right here,

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but I, I carry my passport with me
when I go out.

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Now, I may never, ever become a target,

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but I'm a dark brown guy.

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And so I am a target.

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And, in a way, I do it
symbolically because, it's happening.

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But I also tell people,
okay, do you carry your passport with you?

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And, of course, most white Americans
don't have to worry about that.

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But if you are Latino or if you're
a person of color, you do here

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and that is, that upsets
that is very sad because,

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- I just I never thought this would happen
in the States.

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You know, I lived there for four
and a half years doing my undergrad,

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and that's.

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That was not my concern, you know?

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- Right.

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- I was never a victim of racism.

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Not even once. You know,

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but it's it's been ten years since,

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I got back to Mexico.

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And if I ever go back to the States,
I don't know

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if it's going to be different.

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- Yeah, that's a good question.

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I don't know, I mean, I,
I suppose to be an individual experience,

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but yet you might have some difficulty
going through,

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security at an airport
or crossing the border.

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I don't know, I don't know, you know,
I hope that if you I do

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hope if you come back to the States,

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you don't have any of that experience,
obviously, because you're my cousin.

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- Do I do go there for....

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but as a tourist, you know?

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Actually, I'm going to be running the half
marathon from San Diego.

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That's going to be in a couple of weeks.

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Three weeks, actually. 

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- Oh, cool.

304
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- It's going to be on May the 31st.

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San Diego, it's a beautiful city.

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Yeah. I love San Diego.

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- Yeah, it is my daughter running it.

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You got you got family there.
My daughter lives there.

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My daughter Alicia.

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So I have to tell them
so they can come out. And.

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What's going on?

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Yeah, yeah. 

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- Go grab some tacos.

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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Good tacos in San Diego.

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Yes, yes.

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- Oh, yeah. Yeah. Awesome food there.

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- All right.

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But yeah, coming back to the topic,
I don't know

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if it's going to be any different
to other times I've been there.

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Right. Like crossing the border,
as you said.

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If I'm going to be running with
my visa in my back pocket,

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but, I don't know.

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- Yeah, well hopefully not.

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Hopefully that you won't have to have
that kind of experience.

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I don't want you to have
that kind of experience.

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Got to ask you another quick question.

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Just, what do you think of the President
of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum?

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- Claudia?

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That's such a hard question.

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I think she's a great, women,

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but I don't think she was ready
for the president of the country.

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- Really?

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- We we do need a lot.

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We say in Spanish,

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“Mano dura.”

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- Firm hand, firm hand from hand.

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- Yes, yes. Yeah.

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I don't think she has it,

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because she she came into

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into the presidential seat with a lot of

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of bad background baggage.

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- Baggage?

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- Yeah.

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Well, that's always the case
with Mexican politics, isn't it?

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- It is the case with Mexican politics.

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And that's why I applaud the States
coming in and doing their.

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their

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world police.

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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well,
that's interesting because, on one hand,

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were deporting people back to Mexico,
but yet we're still intervening in your country.

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- So and that's ironic.

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- That's very ironic.

355
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That's very ironic in that.

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So hey, primo,
thank you so much for talking to me

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and, 
giving me that little history background.

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So I take it that,
you won't be partying today,

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or maybe you will do it symbolically,
I suppose.

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Maybe. But you're an athlete.

361
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You don't do that. You don't even.

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Do you even drink?

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- Just a bit, you know.

364
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Yeah. I'll have a beer every now and then.

365
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And I would tequila
shot every now and then.

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Yeah, well, that's pretty much it.

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- All right.

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- And to answer your question,
will I be celebrating?

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Not really.

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This this this this conversation has been

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my my greatest, greatest, celebration.

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Like in the past 20 years.

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- All right, all right.

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I gotta remember that
I got to send all this to our cousins.

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We got lots of cousins.

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Please do.

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Yeah.

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And by the way, you know,
our family reunion is coming up.

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Are you going to come? Oh it is, yeah.

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- I see the Facebook posts

381
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- Yeah.

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It's, you know, we have this big family
reunion, three day affair.

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So I, I don't know if you'll make it,
but I hope you do.

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And make sure that you say
hi to your mother

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and to all of my other primos
there in, in the automotive doing okay?

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All right.

387
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- Hey, appreciate you considering me for the
for the podcast.

388
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- Hey, this is just going to be the first.

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We’ll probably do others. Okay? Awesome.

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- I’m down.

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All right, all right.

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- Thanks primo, you say hi to all the families.

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And my best regards.

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- I will.  Okay. Bye. Bye

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