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-Hello.
I'm your host, Brian Callanan.
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A proposal to expand
the use of surveillance cameras
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in Seattle has been put on hold.
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Also, the city is taking a close
look at gaps in its 911 system.
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Plus, a plan to rapidly install
more homeless shelter spaces
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is facing new scrutiny
from the City Council.
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Council members
Bob Kettle and Maritza Rivera
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are responding to these issues
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and the questions
you're sending in, too --
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next on "City Inside/Out:
Council Edition."
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-We want to protect
our residents in Seattle,
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including
our immigrant population.
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-One of the things
that we need to get away from
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is this bipolar world
of SPOG and CARE,
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and that's what
we're gonna do.
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-All that and more
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coming up next on "City
Inside/Out: Council Edition."
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Welcome once again to "City
Inside/Out: Council Edition."
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I'm Brian Callanan.
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Great to be with you
here on the Seattle Channel.
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Also great to be with
a couple of Council members here
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for our monthly show, including
Council Member Maritza Rivera,
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who represents District 4
in Northeast Seattle.
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Also chairs
the Libraries, Education,
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and Neighborhoods Committee.
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Good to be with you.
-Thank you, Brian.
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Nice to be here.
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-And, also, we have with us
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Council Member Bob Kettle.
Represents District 7
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from Downtown to Magnolia,
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Interbay
out to South Lake Union.
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Also chairs
the Public Safety Committee.
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Thank you for being here.
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And I should mention
you were the Grand Marshal
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of the St. Patrick's Day parade
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not too long ago
here in Seattle.
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-Yes. A great honor.
And an honor to be here, too.
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-All right.
Top of the afternoon to you.
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Here we go.
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I want to start with
some current events, if I could.
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Mayor Wilson recently
announced a plan regarding
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surveillance cameras that
I know you both are aware of.
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She's actually pausing
a planned expansion
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of closed-circuit
or CCTV, cameras,
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with an exception for areas
around the city's stadiums
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before the World Cup,
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but she won't turn off any
of the cameras
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the city currently uses,
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except for one near a clinic
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with reproductive health
services.
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She's pausing the use
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of automated
license plate readers, too,
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until the city
can get aligned
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with a newly approved state law
about that.
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The mayor says she has heard
from a lot of passionate,
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emotional people who support
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and who do not support
expanding the use of cameras
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in her press conference.
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-But precisely
because different people
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and different communities
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experience the cameras
differently,
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it's important to base a
decision on more than feelings.
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It's important
to ground our actions
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in a thorough understanding of
how the cameras are being used,
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of the public benefits
they are providing,
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and of any harm
they are causing or could cause.
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-So both of you put out
statements regarding this.
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And, Council Member Kettle,
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maybe I can get your reaction
here first.
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The mayor is talking
about further study
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of the impacts
of expanding surveillance,
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with concerns about
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how that could impact
local immigration populations
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during the federal
immigration crackdown
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or women
seeking reproductive care, too.
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Some thoughts about this?
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-We've already had
those thoughts.
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We've been working
these issues from day one,
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starting in 2024 with ALPR,
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CCTV, the closed-circuit TV,
the first time.
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And by the way, ALPR --
automatic license plate readers.
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-Yes. Thank you.
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-And then we came around again
with CCTV, as well.
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And then on top of that
is the Real Time Crime Center.
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So all these points
that are raised,
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we've been working in.
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And to the point of
the mayor's comments yesterday,
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I welcome a audit.
I welcome a review.
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Key here is that it has to be
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ahead of the World Cup.
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-That is so important.
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Secondly, you noted
the ALPR again --
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the automatic
license plate readers.
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We just had a bill passed
in Olympia.
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And so we do need to do
our checks on that,
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see where we need to adjust
and fix.
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And I will say on that,
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if you look at all
the protections and the things
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that we built in, the protocols
that we built in with our ALPR,
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and you add things from Olympia,
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like the 21-day rule
and importantly,
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the Public Disclosure Request
Exception, the PDR exception...
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-...we basically addressed
the issues that people raise,
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and so we should be moving
forward with ALPR,
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however way
that we need to do it.
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There's a couple pieces that
need to be adjusted, of course,
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but we've really addressed
all the issues related to ALPR,
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so we should be moving forward
once that adjustment is made.
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-Okay. Stay tuned.
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I know there's some more
information coming
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from your committee on this.
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But, Council Member Rivera,
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I want
to get your opinion on this.
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And if I could, I'm gonna add in
a question from a viewer
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to set things up here.
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Mark writes this --
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"We put cameras
on an apartment property
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that we own
that had constant crime --
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car break-ins, et cetera.
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The criminal activity stopped
once they saw the camera system.
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How can the city use
and encourage the use of cameras
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and ensure that the surveillance
isn't used to track
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illegal aliens, so
they are politically acceptable?
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We have to stop the crime!"
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Council Member Rivera,
some thoughts here?
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And if you could weave in
some thoughts
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about what Mark
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-Yeah. Thank you
for the question, Brian.
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You know, my colleague
Council Member Kettle
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and I are aligned on this.
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And this is something
that Council worked a lot on
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when we passed the Real Time
Crime Center cameras
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and the ALPR.
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on the
Public Safety Committee, right?
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-I am now.
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I wasn't before.
But this is something
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that my constituents care
deeply about, as do I.
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And I also care about
privacy protections,
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which is
why former Council Member Moore
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and I put privacy protections
in place for ALPR --
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for instance, ensuring that
there's only, um, you know --
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If office-- well, this is
Real Time Crime Center
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actually, also --
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is, officers need to ask
permission.
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There's only one person
who can view the footage.
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And any officer
wanting to look at the footage
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has to have written permission
and just that kind of stuff.
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And then, also,
Council Member Moore
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put privacy protections in it
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where, um,
the provider -- the -- the --
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not the provider...
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-Axon.
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-The company.
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You got it. Yeah.
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-If they had a reach-out
or a warrant to see --
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sorry -- to see the footage,
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that we would get notified
and so forth.
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And that way, we were trying
to avoid
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and really try to protect folks
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that would come here
for reproductive
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or gender-affirming care.
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That is important to us.
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-So we want to make sure
that folks did not have,
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including the feds,
access to that information.
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And that's why we put those
privacy protections in place.
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So I would say to Mark, the
person who asked the question,
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it is an important tool.
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It's not the only tool,
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but it is an important tool
on the investigative side,
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when crime happens
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and we use cameras in order
to be able to investigate
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that crime,
like you saw this week.
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Um, a detective at SPD
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was able to use
camera footage in part
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to make the arrest of the two
tragic -- the murders...
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-Down at Rainier Beach. Yeah.
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That's right.
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-And so it is a tool and
it is an important tool and one
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that we support --
that I support using.
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And, you know, we care about
the privacy protections,
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which is why we put those
in place.
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And then
to my colleague's point,
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we'll have to align to the state
on the ALPR.
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Um, but we support the use
of it.
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And I will say I was
disappointed to hear --
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I appreciate that the mayor kept
the current cameras in place
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and the Real Time Crime Center
in place.
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I do appreciate
the mayor did that.
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She sees the value in that.
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I was disappointed that
we're not moving forward with --
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We're putting the cameras
at the stadiums,
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but we're not turning them on.
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-We've got FIFA coming and I
think that is really important.
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And, also, outside
of Garfield High School,
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there's a camera pause.
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And we've heard from parents
who --
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They want the cameras
around the schools
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so that when these things
are happening,
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unfortunately, we have,
you know,
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access to footage in order
to investigate these crimes.
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-Thank you for that.
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And I wanted to take this a
little more broadly, if I could,
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and just look at some
of the actions
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the City Council has taken
recently
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when it comes to responding
to concerns
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about federal immigration
activity, specifically.
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A few examples. The Council
passed a ban on allowing
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federal immigration officers
to stage any actions
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on city property.
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You passed a moratorium
on building detention centers.
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City employees are not allowed
to share information, et cetera.
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Council Member Rivera,
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how will these actions
protect Seattleites?
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Should immigrant communities
feel safer, fully protected?
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How do you look at that?
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I look at this as that we
are all aligned on this issue.
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I will say everyone
on the City Council --
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and the mayor
supports this, as well --
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We want to protect
our residents in Seattle,
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including
our immigrant population.
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And so we're doing all we can.
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Some of this stuff, we'll have
to wait to see how it plays out,
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but that doesn't mean
that we're not doing all we can,
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and we should do all we can.
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So my bill
actually was codifying
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Keep Washington Working laws
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to not share -- not
just SPD share information,
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but, also, I added the piece
about any city department
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should not be sharing non-
publicly-available information
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related to
civil immigration enforcement.
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So hopefully these things
will keep
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our immigrant population safe.
Some of these other things,
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like the staging, other cities
have done, as well.
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And we will have to see
how those play out
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if, uh, you know,
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the fed should come here and try
to stage, right?
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Some of this stuff, we'll have
to see how it plays out.
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-Yeah.
Council Member Kettle,
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you were the sponsor
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How do they make Seattle safer?
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Can I ask that general question?
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I think that they're very
important, each of themselves,
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but I would add
that the end result is greater
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than the sum of its parts
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because they reinforce
each other.
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And they also show leadership
and they show
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where our values are.
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And then on a practical side,
we have --
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So we're making a statement
related to, like, staging
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on city property, you know.
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And part of this is,
under the Constitution,
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we have the right to do that.
And part of --
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We have to show that. We have
to make that point known,
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'cause, otherwise,
it could be lost.
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And so this combination says,
"Hey, these are our values.
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You cannot do this."
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And if they were
to do something like this,
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we're working
with the city attorney's office,
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whose name has not come up yet,
but the city attorney, Evans,
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in terms of getting
injunctive relief.
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So this combination with, like,
setting the standards,
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professional standards in terms
of all law enforcement,
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whether it's federal, state,
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county,
or surrounding jurisdictions --
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We set the standards.
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And you combine these things
and it sets the expectation
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so if something
does happen,
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we have that baseline
to work from.
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-Can I talk about
those professionalism standards?
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I want to talk about that
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and also what the state
is now doing --
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a law prohibiting officers
from wearing masks,
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which has been a trademark
of a lot of these ICE agents
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as they've come into
different cities.
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This activity at the local
and the state level
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has drawn some pushback from the
Seattle Police Officers Guild
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and some other officers, too.
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The new SPOG president,
Kent Loux,
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recently said this
about that policy --
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"If the powers that be,
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if certain politicians want
to have this feud with the feds,
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in my opinion,
leave us out of it.
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We're not going to put ourselves
in a position
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where we are now obstructing
federal law enforcement
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from doing their job
or conducting their operation."
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So you got
some local officers saying,
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"We don't want to have to report
on federal officers."
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What's your message to the
rank-and-file cops out there?
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-Well, two things.
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One, if you look at the bill
that was just passed in Olympia,
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it is a law. It was just
signed by Governor Ferguson.
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But, you know, there's
high legal risk with that.
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We didn't go that route
with that,
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as you saw with
the California case.
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And I didn't want to go
with that.
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Instead, what I did in terms
of my bill -- resolution
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was to have the professionalism
standards piece showing
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that what we expect
from Seattle PD
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is what we expect
from law enforcement.
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So the head of SPOG,
our new chief of SPOG
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can come and explain to me
how he can be against that,
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because everything
I've been doing
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has been respectful
of those pieces and respectful
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and supportive of our chief
and of our men and women
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in Seattle Police Department.
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You know,
if there's a 911 call
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regarding
an armed kidnapping on Aurora,
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they need to respond.
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You know, they need to engage,
aka respond to that call.
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And once they're there, they
don't know if these,
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you know, kitted-up people are
actual law enforcement
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or just somebody else
doing something else.
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-Right.
-And so they need to engage.
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You know, "Hey,
what's your credentials?"
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And they've been doing that
professionally.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
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And then,
as part of that process,
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you get a sense
of probable cause, too.
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And then
the documentation piece is,
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okay, you got the body-worn
video and you got the vehicle.
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We're not asking
for Seattle PD to be doing --
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What I do not want in
our streets is the OK Corral.
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Absolutely not.
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But what we are asking through
the directive with Chief Barnes,
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and what we've done, as well,
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and what I've said
as chair of Public Safety,
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is respectful and professional,
and it's our duty to do that.
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So SPOG can look at that
and they can come to my office
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and we can talk about it.
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But as somebody who's
been working public safety
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in this city
and as a retired naval officer,
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I have him come to me
and say --
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explain why everything
that we've done in this city
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is not appropriate.
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-Okay. Fair enough.
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Council Member Rivera,
your thoughts
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about this pushback from
SPOG, other police officers
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about this policy?
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What do you think?
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-Yeah.
Brian, I -- You know,
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the only thing I would add to
Council Member Kettle's remarks
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is just that we need
to ensure --
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And I'm sure the mayor will be
working with the police chief
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to be clear with officers
on what the expectation is.
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I think if you're clear
on the front end
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on what the expectations is --
what the expectations are,
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you get better outcomes
in the long run.
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So I think that will be
important in terms
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of how the --
how these directives roll out.
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-Got it, got it.
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One more touch
on the police officers' union
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before we leave it.
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I want to raise an issue
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that recently came up during a
Public Safety Committee meeting
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from the chief of CARE,
Amy Barden.
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So CARE, of course,
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the Community Assisted Response
& Engagement Department,
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takes in 911 calls,
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also dispatches CARE teams --
trained social workers
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who can handle less serious
calls like a person down,
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et cetera.
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But Chief Barden was saying
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that even with
the Council approving funding
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to have more CARE teams going
citywide,
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they haven't been
able to do as much
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as they're actually capable
of doing
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because of the city's
contract with SPOG.
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It's stopping CARE teams,
she's saying,
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from responding
to certain calls.
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-Today, we estimate that the
24 responders are, on average,
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fulfilling only 28%
of their capacity
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due to the constraints
described.
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And so we must innovate.
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It is unacceptable to not fully
maximize this important team.
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And it's also unacceptable
to waste even a dollar
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in such a challenging
budget environment.
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Council Member Rivera,
can I start with you?
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What's going on here?
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-Well, Brian,
I'll say about this point
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is that at the moment,
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we should focus
on what CARE can do.
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I understand there are
parameters,
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so I don't want to excuse
the parameters,
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but I want to say
that we have a team of people.
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I've met with the CARE folks
and they very much want to help.
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And we have a CARE team
in the University District,
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for instance.
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All our districts have
CARE teams.
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And I will say
that I would very much like
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to have a conversation
with Chief Barden and others
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about, how can the teams help
within the district,
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across the neighborhoods,
across the city?
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Because there are things
that they can do
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besides respond to 911 calls.
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They can do -- You know, there
are folks in the right-of-way
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that need assistance.
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And if they're walking around,
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they should be offering
assistance to those folks.
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There's nothing to prevent
the CARE folks
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from walking
around our neighborhoods --
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they're already
in the neighborhoods --
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and responding to folks.
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There is not a lack
of folks needing help,
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unfortunately,
within our neighborhoods.
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We want to help those people.
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They want to help
those people, as well.
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Let's do that and let's focus
on that for the time being,
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given the parameters
that are in place.
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I just feel like --
I agree with her.
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Let's not waste the resource.
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I don't think we need to.
-Okay.
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-I think there are things that
we can do and that CARE can do.
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And I would like to see that.
-Got it.
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Council Member Kettle,
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I know the mayor's office
was saying at this meeting,
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"Maybe there's a way
to work with the city attorney
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to compel
a different interpretation
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of the SPOG contract."
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I know this is
a really challenging issue.
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Can you talk about this?
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Where are we in this process?
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What's going on?
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-Um, well,
I'm aware of what's going on,
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and that's one reason
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why I designed the meeting
the way I did.
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Um, I had the three chiefs --
Instead of having
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the three chiefs talk about
their departments,
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I had them talk about
alternative response.
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And I always say
alternative response,
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by the way,
instead of just CARE,
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because alternative response is
broader than CARE.
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-Yeah. SPD's doing stuff,
Fire Department.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
-So that was all purposely done.
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And I knew it was gonna raise
things to the surface, Brian.
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But you know what?
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You have to have things raised
to the surface to deal with it.
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And so now
I've had a meeting --
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a call with Chief Barden
and previous calls
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and I said, "Okay, okay,
this is what we're gonna do.
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You know, we're looking at
the CARE-enabling legislation.
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Okay, what can we do there?
447
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You know, give me ideas."
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I talked to Chief Scoggins
from Fire.
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I said, "Chief, you know,"
and he's been around.
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You know, he gave me
some great background.
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And says, "Hey,
from your perspective,
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what can be different?
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You know, one of the things
that we need to get away from
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is this bipolar world
of SPOG and CARE.
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And that's what
we're gonna do because,
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um, CARE has
a public health piece --
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behavioral health particularly.
-Yes,
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-Who's responsible
for public health?
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-The county mainly. Yeah. Right.
-The county.
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So we can look at relationships
with King County.
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There's about three main areas
that I'm looking at.
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Um, who else does health?
Like, health health.
463
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Fire.
-The state. Okay. All right.
464
00:17:29,183 --> 00:17:31,385
-So we can look at, you know,
relationship with Fire.
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So we need to move
around this CARE-SPOG thing.
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And this is what's gonna
happen when we go through this
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and it's gonna be different
things on the executive,
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I think, in the future.
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But I also think that we can
either update the SPOG-enab--
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I mean,
the CARE-enabling legislation
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or new legislation
that builds on it.
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And I think that's really
important, and separately,
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'cause it's tied to this,
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is also the public drug use
and possession ordinance.
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And so what was not around
back then was CARE.
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-Yeah.
-Mm-hmm.
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-None of this is by accident,
by the way.
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Who's a big piece of the
public drug use and possession?
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'Cause they're supposed
to be two answers --
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either diversion or jail, right?
481
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-I've been getting
a few of these wrong.
482
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I'll let you tell me. Yeah.
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-Diversion is primarily
through PDA.
484
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-Right. Yeah.
Purpose. Dignity. Action.
485
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-Exactly.
Now, where does PDA now reside?
486
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Does it reside under Human
Services Department anymore?
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No. It resides under CARE.
-Right. Okay.
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-And so we have pieces
in terms of the alternative
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as it relates to public use in
terms of substance use disorder
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and, you know,
the general addiction pieces.
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So we have avenues to work this.
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So what I'm doing right now
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00:18:37,217 --> 00:18:39,253
is, I'm engaging
with the stakeholders on this.
494
00:18:39,253 --> 00:18:42,723
We're looking at possibilities
and working with Central Staff.
495
00:18:42,723 --> 00:18:45,826
I get input from my colleagues.
By the way,
496
00:18:45,826 --> 00:18:48,362
Council Member Rivera is
fantastic on different pieces,
497
00:18:48,362 --> 00:18:50,764
bringing her sharp legal mind
on some of these...
498
00:18:50,764 --> 00:18:52,766
-Okay.
-With amendments.
499
00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:55,202
And this goes way back. Back
to ALPR in the spring of '24.
500
00:18:55,202 --> 00:18:56,737
-Sure.
501
00:18:56,737 --> 00:18:58,172
-And so
we're gonna be doing this.
502
00:18:58,172 --> 00:19:00,440
And so I've given you kind of,
like, some broad outlines.
503
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,242
And then --
So maybe in the summer,
504
00:19:02,242 --> 00:19:04,912
I can come back
and then we can talk about it.
505
00:19:04,912 --> 00:19:07,548
You know, just ahead of recess
or ahead of budget,
506
00:19:07,548 --> 00:19:08,815
we'll have a review.
-Okay.
507
00:19:08,815 --> 00:19:10,050
That sounds like a plan.
508
00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:11,718
Council Member Kettle,
let me stick with you
509
00:19:11,718 --> 00:19:13,687
a little bit more
on emergency services.
510
00:19:13,687 --> 00:19:16,023
The Seattle Times recently did
a report on some gaps
511
00:19:16,023 --> 00:19:18,525
in the city's 911 system.
In one case,
512
00:19:18,525 --> 00:19:21,261
a woman called the city's
nurse line, waited for 10 hours,
513
00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:23,130
unfortunately passed away.
514
00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:25,666
The city's nurse-ordered
ambulance rides are exempted
515
00:19:25,666 --> 00:19:27,367
from wait-time standards
516
00:19:27,367 --> 00:19:29,069
and tracking
here in the city of Seattle.
517
00:19:29,069 --> 00:19:30,871
You've said the city
needs to look into this.
518
00:19:30,871 --> 00:19:32,739
I know you have some concerns
about this.
519
00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:34,541
What's the latest?
What's going on here?
520
00:19:34,541 --> 00:19:36,476
-Yes. We have to look at this.
521
00:19:36,476 --> 00:19:41,748
As I said to Mr. Chroman
at Seattle Times and others --
522
00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:44,418
Mr. Beekman
at The Seattle Times,
523
00:19:44,418 --> 00:19:47,321
actually -- that, um, I've been
to the Fire Alarm Center.
524
00:19:47,321 --> 00:19:49,089
I've been there.
525
00:19:49,089 --> 00:19:50,791
I've listened to them
talk to the nurses' line,
526
00:19:50,791 --> 00:19:53,060
talk to the nurses
as calls were coming in.
527
00:19:53,060 --> 00:19:55,362
I have great confidence
in the system,
528
00:19:55,362 --> 00:19:58,966
but there's always room
for improvement.
529
00:19:58,966 --> 00:20:00,868
So I had a conversation --
530
00:20:00,868 --> 00:20:02,169
I mentioned I already talked
to Chief Scoggins as related
531
00:20:02,169 --> 00:20:03,537
to alternative response.
532
00:20:03,537 --> 00:20:05,239
I also talked to him
about this, as well,
533
00:20:05,239 --> 00:20:07,441
and I think we have
some opportunities
534
00:20:07,441 --> 00:20:09,476
to do a look at it.
535
00:20:09,476 --> 00:20:12,913
I think it's good to have this
on the committee agenda.
536
00:20:12,913 --> 00:20:14,748
It's probably gonna be later
537
00:20:14,748 --> 00:20:17,150
because we're so jam-packed
in terms of issues
538
00:20:17,150 --> 00:20:18,752
that we're working,
539
00:20:18,752 --> 00:20:20,587
but that allows Fire
and the executive,
540
00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:22,623
particularly since
we have a new administration,
541
00:20:22,623 --> 00:20:25,025
to work through this in terms
of looking at the contract,
542
00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:29,029
looking at the parameters
of what's going on with AMR,
543
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:32,666
looking at the relationship
between the nurses' line
544
00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:35,068
and the Fire Alarm Center,
545
00:20:35,068 --> 00:20:37,137
where our firefighters are,
and say, "Hey,
546
00:20:37,137 --> 00:20:38,872
what can we do differently?"
547
00:20:38,872 --> 00:20:40,841
'Cause it's important
and it's important
548
00:20:40,841 --> 00:20:44,244
because she could be my mother.
549
00:20:44,244 --> 00:20:47,714
She could be anybody's
mother or sister or daughter.
550
00:20:47,714 --> 00:20:49,983
And we need to be doing right.
551
00:20:49,983 --> 00:20:52,085
And I believe in this case,
552
00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:54,922
you know, it's looking at some
of those contract positions
553
00:20:54,922 --> 00:20:57,157
and also, like, who knows
what, when, where.
554
00:20:57,157 --> 00:21:01,562
Does one person
have the full story?
555
00:21:01,562 --> 00:21:03,797
Does the AMR crew
that came to the door --
556
00:21:03,797 --> 00:21:06,834
Did they have the full?
You know?
557
00:21:06,834 --> 00:21:10,003
So you ask these questions,
you work through these pieces,
558
00:21:10,003 --> 00:21:12,272
and then we can work to adjust
and adapt
559
00:21:12,272 --> 00:21:14,541
anything that
we may need to do with working
560
00:21:14,541 --> 00:21:16,076
with Fire Department
and so forth
561
00:21:16,076 --> 00:21:17,878
and then look
to make those changes.
562
00:21:17,878 --> 00:21:19,880
-Council Member Rivera,
anything to add here?
563
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,683
-I mean, I would just say,
you know, review is important.
564
00:21:22,683 --> 00:21:24,418
You've heard me say, Brian,
565
00:21:24,418 --> 00:21:26,386
that, you know,
we run these programs
566
00:21:26,386 --> 00:21:28,388
and we have to make sure
that we're reviewing
567
00:21:28,388 --> 00:21:31,225
and make sure they're doing
what they're intended to do.
568
00:21:31,225 --> 00:21:34,795
And here is our now opportunity
to look at this.
569
00:21:34,795 --> 00:21:37,631
Unfortunately, something tragic
happened.
570
00:21:37,631 --> 00:21:40,501
And we should be looking
at things before that happens.
571
00:21:40,501 --> 00:21:42,469
But nevertheless,
we're at this point
572
00:21:42,469 --> 00:21:45,105
and I appreciate the chairs
giving attention to this.
573
00:21:45,105 --> 00:21:47,941
And we're all gonna
be looking at this.
574
00:21:47,941 --> 00:21:50,244
And, you know, giving
that review is really important.
575
00:21:50,244 --> 00:21:52,145
-Okay. Thank you very much.
576
00:21:52,145 --> 00:21:53,914
Council Member Rivera,
I'm gonna stick with you
577
00:21:53,914 --> 00:21:55,782
and talk about
a new plan for Mayor Wilson
578
00:21:55,782 --> 00:21:57,885
that would have a big impact
on neighborhoods.
579
00:21:57,885 --> 00:21:59,586
I'm thinking of the committee
you chair here.
580
00:21:59,586 --> 00:22:01,688
So the mayor wants to have
1,000 people
581
00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:03,957
who are homeless inside
by the end of the year,
582
00:22:03,957 --> 00:22:07,261
500 by the time the World Cup
comes to Seattle in June.
583
00:22:07,261 --> 00:22:09,963
She's hoping to expand
capacity first at Seattle's
584
00:22:09,963 --> 00:22:11,365
tiny home villages.
585
00:22:11,365 --> 00:22:13,133
Some of these villages
586
00:22:13,133 --> 00:22:15,402
moving from 100 to 150
residents, for example.
587
00:22:15,402 --> 00:22:18,172
Others could be
as big as 250 people.
588
00:22:18,172 --> 00:22:20,507
Just generally here,
what do you think of this plan,
589
00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:22,809
how it's gonna impact
our neighborhoods, please.
590
00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:24,811
-Well, Brian,
I have a lot of questions.
591
00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:29,983
This is a newer proposal at
least that got sent down to us.
592
00:22:29,983 --> 00:22:31,585
I know a lot of people,
593
00:22:31,585 --> 00:22:33,353
including constituents,
have questions.
594
00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:35,189
And so we need to get through
those questions.
595
00:22:35,189 --> 00:22:37,324
We need to get
a lot more information.
596
00:22:37,324 --> 00:22:38,992
How will this all work?
597
00:22:38,992 --> 00:22:41,662
I will say
that I appreciate the idea
598
00:22:41,662 --> 00:22:45,966
to have behavioral health and
case management 24-7 on-site.
599
00:22:45,966 --> 00:22:49,803
I do think going from
100 to 250 people is a lot,
600
00:22:49,803 --> 00:22:53,140
given the high acuity needs
of this population,
601
00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:56,443
and we want to make sure people
have the access to services
602
00:22:56,443 --> 00:22:58,212
so they can succeed.
603
00:22:58,212 --> 00:23:02,149
I also have a concern
about public safety
604
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:04,051
around these sites.
605
00:23:04,051 --> 00:23:07,321
So ensuring what is the plan
for 24-7 security
606
00:23:07,321 --> 00:23:10,390
so that we're actually
also making sure
607
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:12,759
that the neighborhoods are safe?
608
00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:16,430
That has been an issue
that we've had across the city
609
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:18,031
at different sites.
610
00:23:18,031 --> 00:23:19,433
And we want --
And we've been talking about it
611
00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:21,702
since we got here,
Chair Kettle and I.
612
00:23:21,702 --> 00:23:24,104
And so I want to make sure
that we are addressing that
613
00:23:24,104 --> 00:23:25,873
and not adding, you know --
614
00:23:25,873 --> 00:23:28,008
while we're helping people --
and we need to --
615
00:23:28,008 --> 00:23:30,177
we're also addressing
the public safety needs
616
00:23:30,177 --> 00:23:31,778
of the neighborhoods.
-Got it.
617
00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:34,248
Council Member Kettle, this
happened at a recent briefing,
618
00:23:34,248 --> 00:23:35,816
and you actually raised
some concerns about
619
00:23:35,816 --> 00:23:38,185
just how fast the mayor was
trying to make this happen,
620
00:23:38,185 --> 00:23:39,786
how that might impact
some neighborhoods,
621
00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:41,154
the communication
going on there.
622
00:23:41,154 --> 00:23:42,923
I want to talk about
those concerns.
623
00:23:42,923 --> 00:23:44,758
We've got an e-mail from Brit,
who wrote this --
624
00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:46,760
"How are we going to make sure
we support
625
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,929
our unhoused neighbors
during the World Cup,
626
00:23:48,929 --> 00:23:51,431
because sweeping them
from the area only leads to them
627
00:23:51,431 --> 00:23:53,500
distrusting the city
and community more,
628
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,537
which makes getting
them into any kind of safe space
629
00:23:56,537 --> 00:23:58,505
in the future even harder."
630
00:23:58,505 --> 00:24:00,274
Let's talk about this, please.
631
00:24:00,274 --> 00:24:01,909
-Well, the first thing is,
632
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:03,877
I don't allow the word "sweeps"
in my office
633
00:24:03,877 --> 00:24:06,547
'cause sweeps is like a PR
term that's been used for those
634
00:24:06,547 --> 00:24:07,881
that want to, like,
635
00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:09,283
have positions
against certain things.
636
00:24:09,283 --> 00:24:11,518
And so that's not what happens.
637
00:24:11,518 --> 00:24:14,021
You know, earlier,
you talked about, you know,
638
00:24:14,021 --> 00:24:16,623
passionate and emotion,
you know, and then --
639
00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:18,258
And then what happens is,
640
00:24:18,258 --> 00:24:19,560
when you're
on the campaign trail,
641
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,161
like with the mayor's campaign,
642
00:24:21,161 --> 00:24:22,896
you know,
you hear these different voices,
643
00:24:22,896 --> 00:24:24,631
but then you come in the office,
like, on surveillance.
644
00:24:24,631 --> 00:24:26,600
She's now learning.
She said this yesterday --
645
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,769
"Oh, actually, the program
does this very differently."
646
00:24:28,769 --> 00:24:31,071
It's the same thing
with Unified Care Team
647
00:24:31,071 --> 00:24:32,539
and the efforts
that the city's doing,
648
00:24:32,539 --> 00:24:33,841
because this is Seattle.
649
00:24:33,841 --> 00:24:35,542
We have those values.
650
00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:37,144
And so we're working them in.
This idea
651
00:24:37,144 --> 00:24:39,680
that we're against this
is wrong.
652
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,682
And I think this is great
for the new team coming in
653
00:24:41,682 --> 00:24:43,417
'cause they're realizing --
654
00:24:43,417 --> 00:24:44,818
And it should be a lesson
for everybody,
655
00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:46,687
particularly the team
that's coming in,
656
00:24:46,687 --> 00:24:49,356
that the voices that
you heard on the campaign trail
657
00:24:49,356 --> 00:24:50,858
were not knowledgeable
about the topic
658
00:24:50,858 --> 00:24:52,426
on which they were talking.
659
00:24:52,426 --> 00:24:55,262
And with that backdrop,
you know,
660
00:24:55,262 --> 00:24:57,364
what we need to do is,
like, the lessons-learned point.
661
00:24:57,364 --> 00:24:59,266
We talked about this
662
00:24:59,266 --> 00:25:01,201
with the earlier conversation
with the 911.
663
00:25:01,201 --> 00:25:02,836
Lessons-learned attitude.
664
00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,271
How do we make it better?
665
00:25:04,271 --> 00:25:05,806
So we've all been
on the streets.
666
00:25:05,806 --> 00:25:08,475
By the way, all of us council
members, we're out and about,
667
00:25:08,475 --> 00:25:10,844
you know.
And not to bring this up,
668
00:25:10,844 --> 00:25:12,713
but, like, this morning,
I was on the street
669
00:25:12,713 --> 00:25:16,950
and I saw a dead man
on 3rd Avenue, 3rd and Vine.
670
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:18,819
-I'm sorry to hear it.
-Yes.
671
00:25:18,819 --> 00:25:20,888
And so we're -- And I'm talking
to the officer, you know,
672
00:25:20,888 --> 00:25:22,489
about, "Hey,
what's happening here?"
673
00:25:22,489 --> 00:25:24,057
and these issues
that are happening.
674
00:25:24,057 --> 00:25:26,326
It was an O.D.,
and it's striking.
675
00:25:26,326 --> 00:25:28,428
And so it's like, "Hey,
what's happening here?
676
00:25:28,428 --> 00:25:30,063
How can we get answers?"
677
00:25:30,063 --> 00:25:32,032
And so I'm aware
of these pieces,
678
00:25:32,032 --> 00:25:34,434
you know, that area -- 3rd
and Blanchard and so forth.
679
00:25:34,434 --> 00:25:36,370
And then, so it's like,
"How do we do this?"
680
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:37,938
So I know tiny home villages,
by the way, says "home,"
681
00:25:37,938 --> 00:25:39,206
but it's shelter.
682
00:25:39,206 --> 00:25:41,208
It's not housing.
-Right.
683
00:25:41,208 --> 00:25:43,677
-But we've been incorporating
these lessons-learned pieces
684
00:25:43,677 --> 00:25:45,045
in terms of security.
685
00:25:45,045 --> 00:25:49,550
I had, you know, a tiny home-
combination RV village
686
00:25:49,550 --> 00:25:50,918
within, like, a half mile
of my home.
687
00:25:50,918 --> 00:25:52,586
But because we're engaging
688
00:25:52,586 --> 00:25:54,288
and they're learning
the lessons learned,
689
00:25:54,288 --> 00:25:56,023
the service providers,
we're putting in place
690
00:25:56,023 --> 00:25:58,358
those public safety pieces,
those protocols.
691
00:25:58,358 --> 00:26:00,093
-Okay.
-We're adding in,
692
00:26:00,093 --> 00:26:02,029
you know, the wraparound care,
693
00:26:02,029 --> 00:26:03,430
you know, the counseling.
694
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:05,199
That's what happened
at the Salmon Bay Village.
695
00:26:05,199 --> 00:26:07,234
And that made
a big difference moving forward.
696
00:26:07,234 --> 00:26:09,870
And if we keep doing that -- And
we're augmenting it, by the way,
697
00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:11,338
in the legislative department,
698
00:26:11,338 --> 00:26:12,906
because we have
this Neighborhood Engagement
699
00:26:12,906 --> 00:26:15,075
and Mitigation Plan process
under way,
700
00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:16,677
and we'll work
with the executive on that.
701
00:26:16,677 --> 00:26:18,312
-Okay. Thank you.
-And if I can add, Brian...
702
00:26:18,312 --> 00:26:19,413
-Briefly, please.
-I mean,
703
00:26:19,413 --> 00:26:21,148
on the tiny home villages,
704
00:26:21,148 --> 00:26:24,218
we need to ensure we have
a plan for off-ramping,
705
00:26:24,218 --> 00:26:26,119
for getting people
permanent housing.
706
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,922
I mean, we're seeing
a lot of folks staying longer
707
00:26:28,922 --> 00:26:31,425
in tiny house villages
that weren't intended.
708
00:26:31,425 --> 00:26:33,227
That isn't --
709
00:26:33,227 --> 00:26:35,562
-It's intended to be short-term.
710
00:26:35,562 --> 00:26:37,664
-Exactly, exactly.
It's meant to be short-term.
711
00:26:37,664 --> 00:26:40,868
So what are
the off-ramping strategies?
712
00:26:40,868 --> 00:26:43,203
There's a tiny house village
in my district
713
00:26:43,203 --> 00:26:45,272
where folks have been there
for years.
714
00:26:45,272 --> 00:26:48,108
And so how do we get
folks hous-- you know,
715
00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:50,711
permanent housing and
not just this temporary housing.
716
00:26:50,711 --> 00:26:53,881
So all those questions
need to be answered as part
717
00:26:53,881 --> 00:26:54,982
of this endeavor, as well.
718
00:26:54,982 --> 00:26:56,683
-Thank you.
719
00:26:56,683 --> 00:26:58,352
I need to do the minute-long
version with you,
720
00:26:58,352 --> 00:26:59,753
Council Member Rivera,
about the Library Levy.
721
00:26:59,753 --> 00:27:01,755
This is big for the Council.
722
00:27:01,755 --> 00:27:04,558
The mayor presented a plan
for about a $410 million levy,
723
00:27:04,558 --> 00:27:07,160
up from $219 million
724
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,162
when voters passed it
seven years ago.
725
00:27:09,162 --> 00:27:10,297
Does this proposal
need to be tweaked?
726
00:27:10,297 --> 00:27:11,932
What's going on?
727
00:27:11,932 --> 00:27:13,700
Give me some rough sketches
on this, please.
728
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,003
-I will say this is
a really exciting levy.
729
00:27:16,003 --> 00:27:18,338
It's a really exciting proposal.
730
00:27:18,338 --> 00:27:20,908
We are -- In this proposal,
731
00:27:20,908 --> 00:27:22,809
we're maintaining
all the great services
732
00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:26,046
that the library provides,
including open hours.
733
00:27:26,046 --> 00:27:30,384
Um, folks in the city love
libraries, as do I...
734
00:27:30,384 --> 00:27:34,154
as I know, Council Member Kettle
joins me in loving libraries.
735
00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:36,223
And for me,
this is an opportunity
736
00:27:36,223 --> 00:27:38,959
to keep maintaining
the services that we have.
737
00:27:38,959 --> 00:27:43,830
Um, the 2019 levy
was very supported,
738
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highly supported
by constituents.
739
00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:49,603
And I believe this will be,
as well.
740
00:27:49,603 --> 00:27:51,638
-Okay. Thank you for that.
741
00:27:51,638 --> 00:27:53,207
I'll throw one more question
to you, Council Member Kettle.
742
00:27:53,207 --> 00:27:54,942
Photo evidence reveals you are
743
00:27:54,942 --> 00:27:56,643
the tallest
Seattle City Council member.
744
00:27:56,643 --> 00:27:58,545
So I'm giving you
the basketball question.
745
00:27:58,545 --> 00:28:01,048
Should Seattleites get
their hopes up about the Sonics
746
00:28:01,048 --> 00:28:03,083
coming back to town?
747
00:28:03,083 --> 00:28:07,387
We have a strong case and
the arena's in my district.
748
00:28:07,387 --> 00:28:10,424
I have a strong relationship
with the Storm and others
749
00:28:10,424 --> 00:28:12,659
that are -- like the Kraken
and everybody else,
750
00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:15,896
and we have all the pieces
that are there.
751
00:28:15,896 --> 00:28:18,699
And with the NBA,
usually come in pairs.
752
00:28:18,699 --> 00:28:21,001
So Vegas and Seattle
is the natural.
753
00:28:21,001 --> 00:28:24,137
And so I am confident,
but cautiously confident
754
00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:26,039
'cause I don't want to jinx
anything.
755
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:27,274
-Okay. All right.
756
00:28:27,274 --> 00:28:28,408
I'll call that
a mid-range jumper
757
00:28:28,408 --> 00:28:29,543
from Council Member Kettle.
758
00:28:29,543 --> 00:28:31,144
Council Member Rivera, thank you
for joining me.
759
00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:32,880
We got to get out of here.
I'm Brian Callanan.
760
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See you next time
on "Council Edition."
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